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aladin 06.01.2019 00:51

Education reinforcement at home
 
Hi,


Inspired by Sugata Mitra ideas, I was looking for a group of parents who would like to reinforce the knowledge of their children (on top of the kindergarden\school system).
The basic principle is that a small group of children is established. Then each day, another parent teaches the children group different topic (depends on the parent education\experience and the group requirements).
It is somewhat related to creation of a social network, where each parent who's teaching, has the full interest to do his/her best to teach the group, as other parents will do.





I heard that the above setup is running already in some countries, but Im not sure it exists in CH. After all, it seems to me simply as an initiative of some parents who care for their children education.



I tried to search the forum in regard to home school, but most posts were related to the challenges parents face with the Swiss conventional education system in case they want to have full home school for their children.

Sandgrounder 06.01.2019 11:19

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Firstly, given the volume of work the kids are faced with here I’m not sure there would be much appetite from them to churn out even more in their evenings and weekends.

Secondly, the TED talk you linked to is all about self learning rather than a parent teaching a group.

Kids need time to just be kids.

Ace1 06.01.2019 12:08

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Originally Posted by aladin (Post 3027675)
I heard that the above setup is running already in some countries, but Im not sure it exists in CH. After all, it seems to me simply as an initiative of some parents who care for their children education.

Sounds to me more like a group of pushy parents determined to ruin their kids' childhood.:msnwink:

greenmount 06.01.2019 12:09

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In principle it looks like a great idea, but IMHO it's more designated to kids who're either home schooled or they're living in a place which, due to various reasons, is lacking some educational resources.

I am of the opinion that the education system provides quite a lot of stimuli for every child. In CH you have the normal school classes and the extra-hours for "gifted kids" and many other extra-curricular courses. Of course, every parent is doing their best on top of that - talking with children, reading them aloud, filling their home with books as our parents did too. But Sangrounder is right - kids need to be kids too. If a parent can teach a fun and not-really-school-like activity group that's a different thing.

aladin 06.01.2019 12:15

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Thanks Sandgrounder for the comment


first, lets agree on the following assumption:
The current school system is not 100% capable to provide education which will qualify the children to cope with life (e.g. future work environment) in future, or to develop a skill set which will help them in life when they become adults.



I didnt mention too many details as it is still in idea phase, but my point (following the TED self learning) is that the parents will provide a complementary framework to optimize the children education. This doesnt mean necessarily that they will perform frontal lectures during whole afternoons and weekends.
Maybe they will initially provide some questions and then let an open discussion among the kids? maybe different forms of games can be involved?

Tom1234 06.01.2019 12:22

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Kids (and adults) learn so much by being bored. That's when their creative imagination starts to work - where they develop the skills needed to be creative and innovative scientists and engineers, and artists and other creatives of the future.

We should stop being helicopter parents and let children develop by not constricting their free time with more structured education.

swisscanmom 06.01.2019 12:25

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Quote:

first, lets agree on the following assumption:
The current school system is not 100% capable to provide education which will qualify the children to cope with life (e.g. future work environment) in future, or to develop a skill set which will help them in life when they become adults.

I didnt mention too many details as it is still in idea phase, but my point (following the TED self learning) is that the parents will provide a complementary framework to optimize the children education. This doesnt mean necessarily that they will perform frontal lectures during whole afternoons and weekends.
Maybe they will initially provide some questions and then let an open discussion among the kids? maybe different forms of games can be involved?
I personally don't agree with your assumption. But I am biased, as I am a teacher. And your second idea: How is that different, than what we do in school?Kids have a full schedule with school and extracurricaluar activities, they should also have time to play, and explore on their own. Providing an environment where they can do that, is what you should be doing, not doing parent led educational activities similar to school. By all means create a group that visits adventure playgrounds, the forest, the beach, museums etc. But let kids explore on their own and follow their own interests in their free time!

Sandgrounder 06.01.2019 12:38

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Originally Posted by aladin (Post 3027707)
Thanks Sandgrounder for the comment


first, lets agree on the following assumption:
The current school system is not 100% capable to provide education which will qualify the children to cope with life (e.g. future work environment) in future, or to develop a skill set which will help them in life when they become adults.

We just call it ‘parenting’ in our house. School teaches the school stuff and we do the ongoing soft skills / social skills / eat your greens / don’t be an idiot at work / growing up balanced stuff. Don’t need any fancy-pants help group for that.

Murloc 06.01.2019 12:58

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I don't agree with your assumption.

School seems to work just fine in Switzerland and already provides teaching in anything that could need a subject expert, and the respect for an authority that is not your parents.

By playing in a group, fighting over the rules of the game and the points or which game to play or whatever, kids learn people skills they can't learn in class, and also do creative work that is not school work. But no teacher is required for this.

If you want to organize activities with the kids with fewer supervisors so that other parents have time off, then it sounds like a good idea, but I wouldn't make it about teaching.

Jim2007 06.01.2019 14:09

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Originally Posted by aladin (Post 3027707)
first, lets agree on the following assumption:
The current school system is not 100% capable to provide education which will qualify the children to cope with life (e.g. future work environment) in future, or to develop a skill set which will help them in life when they become adults.

No let’s not agree on YOUR assumption because it is unproven and the basis of all your BS.

By and large the Swiss system does a good job and most importantly it gives kids time to be kids - grow and develop as they should. At point every other poster here seems to get but you!

nigelr 06.01.2019 16:25

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Originally Posted by aladin (Post 3027707)
....first, lets agree on the following assumption:
The current school system is not 100% capable to provide education which will qualify the children to cope with life (e.g. future work environment) in future, or to develop a skill set which will help them in life when they become adults.

I'm not a fan of the current school system because of its one size fits all basis. Every child is put through the same system and measured on a set of points that only apply to some people. Not all children learn in the same way, but are tested in the same out-dated manner. Some very talented people, and clever people, leave school with poor qualifications because of this.

However your assumption is totally wrong because the current system is turning out young adults who cope very well in adult life, for the most part, and has done so for many generations.

Where I would agree with you is that the work environment is changing rapidly and the school system is seriously lagging behind. It has always been this way, but more so now. Some parents are aware of this, it's just teachers and government who have their heads in the sand.

swisscanmom 06.01.2019 16:45

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I'm not a fan of the current school system because of its one size fits all basis. Every child is put through the same system and measured on a set of points that only apply to some people. Not all children learn in the same way, but are tested in the same out-dated manner. Some very talented people, and clever people, leave school with poor qualifications because of this.
Not true at all, have you visited a school lately? LP 21 is changing how teaching, testing and assessments are done.
In the new assessments memorizing facts is no longer the key skill needed to do well. They have to apply their knowledge. A creative thinker may do better than a kid who can memorize well. Plus, the Swiss system allows for many options and ways to reach different career paths, with its apprenticeship system, for all different types of learners. Which is also why I am a proponent of selection after grade 6, exactly because not all learners fit into one path.

Mélusine 06.01.2019 16:50

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As a teacher myself, I’m fully aware that school can’t bring everything. It can’t educate children, give them full one-to-one attention all the time, read them bed-time stories, etc. From very early on, it’s easy to spot the under stimulated kids, who never saw a pencil or a puzzle before entering school, who spend 99% of their free time in front of the TV, who have never been read to, etc. And yes, these kids usually struggle at school and later on with their professional lives.

But it doesn’t mean the parents have to become teachers and provide a curriculum to their children. You just need to provide them with varied opportunities, from the occasional visit to the museum to afternoons at the local playgrounds.

greenmount 06.01.2019 17:14

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Originally Posted by swisscanmom (Post 3027709)
Providing an environment where they can do that, is what you should be doing, not doing parent led educational activities similar to school. By all means create a group that visits adventure playgrounds, the forest, the beach, museums etc. But let kids explore on their own and follow their own interests in their free time!

This.

MusicChick 06.01.2019 17:33

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Aren't we being prescriptive again...why even. If OP wants to put together a community of mentors, why not. Who cares if it's parents or others, but parents that "belong" to other kids might inspire more at times, I can see that. It could be good for single-parent households to expand the group of adults who invest in kids' lives. Why criticize it? Takes a village and all. I'd be up for it, since I spend a regular and significant amount of time homeschooling, as it is.

On the other hand, I do not think OP's idea has to be justified by the mudslinging OP showed towards the school system here. I can see some people with similar experiences or attitudes, but the schools are as good as the individual teachers are. Sometimes amazing, sometimes uncommitted or inefficient.

Just like families.

Is there a TED talk about it somewhere or should I hurry up and make one? :D

Phil_MCR 06.01.2019 21:29

Re: Education reinforcement at home
 
for those interested, there's a series in this week's economist on child education.

st2lemans 06.01.2019 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aladin (Post 3027707)
first, lets agree on the following assumption:
The current school system is not 100% capable to provide education which will qualify the children to cope with life (e.g. future work environment) in future, or to develop a skill set which will help them in life when they become adults.

And does anyone here actually agree with that stupid assumption? :confused:

Tom

Belgianmum 06.01.2019 21:53

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3027899)
And does anyone here actually agree with that stupid assumption? :confused:

Tom

The OP does.

aladin 06.01.2019 22:21

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 3027899)
And does anyone here actually agree with that stupid assumption? :confused:

Tom


better that you attack to the point rather than throwing nonsense to the air.


its not MY assumption. it is Mr. Mitra who is world wide recognized for his experience in education and technology..
that is why I added the TED link. but if you are lacking the patience to watch it, simply google "does today's education system fit the future?"


same goes to Jim2007

st2lemans 06.01.2019 22:36

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Originally Posted by aladin (Post 3027908)
that is why I added the TED link. but if you are lacking the patience to watch it, simply google "does today's education system fit the future?"

And this TED rubbish has exactly WHAT to do with the Swiss educational system? :confused:

And who the hell is TED? :rolleyes:

Tom


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