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Old 08.01.2019, 11:42
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Dropping out before completing education

I just wanted to share this experience, in case it helps anyone else.

My daughter dropped out of FMS without graduating (abschluss), due to mental health issues. She got a degree a few years later at a British university.

She's currently doing a year's work experience as a public employee of Basel Stadt, which requires an FMS abschluss - but they recognised her degree as trumping that.

She applied recently for BL police and was rejected on the basis that she had not completed her education. For them, her degree doesn't count, and if she wants to apply, she'll have to spend a year getting an FMS or Gymnasium abschluss! (This can be done, I know another Swiss/British lass who had a similar experience).

Hopefully, BS police will be more accommodating so she won't have to waste another year.

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Old 08.01.2019, 12:33
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Re: Dropping out before completing education

For those of us not in the German speaking part can you perhaps explain what an FMS is? And what qualification they leaves with?

Is the the equivalent of a maturité professional? Or maybe a CFC? ( which I think is an EFZ in the German speaking part of Switzerland)

We were told at a careers information evening here that a CFC ( in any field) was necessary for joining the police force. A friend of my sonnis doing his in commerce while doing an apprenticeship at the commune.
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For those of us not in the German speaking part can you perhaps explain what an FMS is? And what qualification they leaves with?

Is the the equivalent of a maturité professional? Or maybe a CFC? ( which I think is an EFZ in the German speaking part of Switzerland)

We were told at a careers information evening here that a CFC ( in any field) was necessary for joining the police force. A friend of my son is doing his in commerce while doing an apprenticeship at the commune.
Obviously, different police forces have different criteria. BL only recruit Swiss who have completed a Swiss education. BS allows even foreign nationals to join. Some cantons require time in army, including for women.

A matura from a Gymnasium will allow you to go to university. The level below Gym is Fachmittelschule, FMS. Completion of this gives a Fachmatura, which gives direct access for Fachhochschule, FHS, which also offer degrees but is more vocational.

After an apprenticeship, you can do a Berufsmatura, which also gives access to FHS. Or you can do a Passarelle and go to university. (Depending on your grades during the apprenticeship).

I hope that helps you see where it fits with the system in your area.
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Old 08.01.2019, 13:13
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German FMS, Fachmittelschule, Fachmatur
French:ECG, Écoles de culture générale, Maturité spécialisée
English: Upper Secondary specialized school, Specialized Baccalaureate
http://www.edk.ch/dyn/16342.php

It is like a Vocational Baccalaureate but full time school and no apprenticeship at a company.

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After or during an apprenticeship, you can do a Berufsmatura, which also gives access to FHS. After a Berufsmatura or FMS you can do a Passarelle and go to university.
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FHS: University of applied science.
Berufsmatura: Vocational Baccalaureate

For English/French/German/Italian terms please see link above.
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Re: Dropping out before completing education

Quick update. My daughter had a call from BL police, and it was explained that BL has quite tight criteria set by the state, but they did want her to know that once she's got 3 years work experience under her belt, the lack of an abschluss won't matter, and the degree will be treated as something very positive, should she choose to reapply.

At the moment her youth, only one year work experience and no abschluss outweigh the degree.

So she's feeling quite positive, and if BS police doesn't work out, she's got a great alternative plan.
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Re: Dropping out before completing education

And... now she's got an interview with them. I'm not entirely sure that left hand knows what right hand is up to.
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Old 12.02.2019, 18:42
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And... now she's got an interview with them. I'm not entirely sure that left hand knows what right hand is up to.
Interview with BL or BS?
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Old 12.02.2019, 18:59
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Re: Dropping out before completing education

How could she get accepted to a UK uni if she didn’t finish her FMS? Did she do A levels instead and if so, cant she apply on those instead?
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Re: Dropping out before completing education

It sounds like a 'technicality' but another way around it may be ensuring she has her degree recognised by the Swiss Council of Universities... It used to be called 'CRUS' but now it has a new name... SBFI.

https://www.sbfi.admin.ch/sbfi/en/ho...fications.html
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Re: Dropping out before completing education

I'm also curious how she got the admission to a UK university - as my daughter has a similar situation with FMS/Mental Health and not doing the abschluss as it was too much pressure that that time...
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How could she get accepted to a UK uni if she didn’t finish her FMS? Did she do A levels instead and if so, cant she apply on those instead?
Simple answer. http://www.open.ac.uk/

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It sounds like a 'technicality' but another way around it may be ensuring she has her degree recognised by the Swiss Council of Universities... It used to be called 'CRUS' but now it has a new name... SBFI.

https://www.sbfi.admin.ch/sbfi/en/ho...fications.html
It is recognised. It's even mentioned on the Basel university website.
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It sounds like a 'technicality' but another way around it may be ensuring she has her degree recognised by the Swiss Council of Universities... It used to be called 'CRUS' but now it has a new name... SBFI.

https://www.sbfi.admin.ch/sbfi/en/ho...fications.html
Outside of regulated professions (i.e. health and teaching) there isn't really a recognition process in Switzerland. Swissuniversities (which replaced CRUS) only does recommendations. This recommendations are not legally binding and employers can freely decide whether they want to recognize the degree as equivalent or not:
https://www.swissuniversities.ch/en/...on-swiss-enic/
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Simple answer. http://www.open.ac.uk/

It is recognised. It's even mentioned on the Basel university website.
There is no national recognition process. Legally each higher education institution can decide independently which foreign degrees they consider equivalent. In practice they tend to follow the recommendations of swissuniversities though.
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There is no national recognition process. Legally each higher education institution can decide independently which foreign degrees they consider equivalent. In practice they tend to follow the recommendations of swissuniversities though.
Yes. Basel recognise it. Bern is a little more recalcitrant.
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