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Can anyone advise on lawyers who specialize on swiss law regarding the treatment of kids in the school environment?
Specifically, we have in our community a school head who openly agressively manhandles kids as well as insulting parents without any care of being reported or of legal comeback for actions. We hear that other families have tried without success to have the individual disciplined.
We have the impression either this school head is protected by layers of Gemeinde/Kanton “governing bodies” or, more worryingly, that Swiss law has no provisions to protect children and families from physical and verbal mistreatment by swiss education “professionals”.

Any advise or contacts for english speaking lawyers who specialize in this area would be ideal to guide us. There seems to be no concept of Child Protection or accountability for treatment of kids and families.
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Very unlikely a lawyer will help you to resolve this situation, try dialogue with a group of parents, the Swiis don't like confrontation in the least.
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As a disconnected reader of the post, I see there is a lot of hearsay, assumption and "it seems.." and "having an impression" to your story so I would recommend building more of a solid case up before seeking out a lawyer otherwise you might be laying out a lot of cost for what turns out to be simply rumour and gossip.
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Very unlikely a lawyer will help you to resolve this situation, try dialogue with a group of parents, the Swiss don't like confrontation in the least.
They don't like confronting, or they don't like being confronted?

With the former, that's their perogative. With the latter, it's not always their choice to make.

They don't like rocking the boat - unless it's them being thrown to the sharks.
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Re: Laws on school head / teachers manhandling kids

It sounds a bit like hearsay to me too.

Btw OP, as far as I know a school head here is only a manager i.e. takes care of administrative stuff. He or she does not teach.
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Btw OP, as far as I know a school head here is only a manager i.e. takes care of administrative stuff. He or she does not teach.
They do here.

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Depends very much on area. Here, the Head is mostly administrative, but insists on doing some teaching. He is the Head of about 10 village schools and 1 secondary with Gymnasium. One of his deputies deals with all the primaries. So at our local primary, there is NO head teacher- some are older and more experienced- that is all. He, his deputies and all teachers are also supervised by the politicians elected, who head the education department, at local level, then at Cantonal level. There is a Governors body too, that includes the politicians in charge locally, representatives from parents and representatives from teaching staff, the Head and Deputies.

Yes, sound a bit like hearsay. So OH, could you possibly give more information re facts. Impossible to 'judge' the situation from your OP. I've served on the education committee and know that these things are taken very seriously. However, and I don't know where OP comes from- discipline here, especially in rural areas and the age of the Head, member of staff, is probably more 'robust' than in some countries.

Mind you, in the 50s- it was a very different kettle of fish- and no kid would go home to complain or they would get a double dose ... metal ruler on the fingers, tied under the cold tap, public spanking (by teacher or enforced on the other kids), and so on. A different world.

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There seems to be no concept of Child Protection or accountability for treatment of kids and families.
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There seems to be no concept of Child Protection or accountability for treatment of kids and families.
Of course there is. Everything you say seems to be hearsay rather than actual facts.

Swiss parents are every bit as concerned about their kids welfare as anyone one else. And if there really was a serious problem they would have already brought this to a head along time ago. And that is based on 30 years living here and putting my kids through the Swiss school system.
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Swiss parents are every bit as concerned about their kids welfare as anyone one else. And if there really was a serious problem they would have already brought this to a head along time ago. And that is based on 30 years living here and putting my kids through the Swiss school system.
From my experience - I'd say just like almost anywhere in the world, some teachers/schools/parents here take things more seriously than others.

As for this confrontation thing - also from experience, if you're not getting results then a promise to escalate the situation to relevant authorities does seem to make those people become a little more pro-active.

As for Swiss parents taking their kids welfare seriously- yes I'd agree. The problem comes when it's their kid who's the problem but again, this is probably the same elsewhere in the world.
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Re: Laws on school head / teachers manhandling kids

Define 'manhandling'.

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They don't like confronting, or they don't like being confronted?

With the former, that's their perogative. With the latter, it's not always their choice to make.

They don't like rocking the boat - unless it's them being thrown to the sharks.
I think it's a human trait - people are likely to rock the boat only if they're directly affected. If it's not happening to them they're reluctant to sign any official complaint or whatever because "there might be repercussions".... When it happens to them, of course they want to be supported, listened to, protected blah blah.
I know someone (Swiss, in case you wonder) who was very unhappy with one of her kids' teacher (4th or 5th grade teacher) and even though they were all gossiping behind the teacher's back, when this person proposed to do something together like a common complaint or whatever, there was not even one parent - except herself of course- willing to do that...not even those who complained....after all, kids are resilient...
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What happened actually?
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Can anyone advise on lawyers who specialize on swiss law regarding the treatment of kids in the school environment?
Specifically, we have in our community a school head who openly agressively manhandles kids as well as insulting parents without any care of being reported or of legal comeback for actions. We hear that other families have tried without success to have the individual disciplined.
We have the impression either this school head is protected by layers of Gemeinde/Kanton “governing bodies” or, more worryingly, that Swiss law has no provisions to protect children and families from physical and verbal mistreatment by swiss education “professionals”.

Any advise or contacts for english speaking lawyers who specialize in this area would be ideal to guide us. There seems to be no concept of Child Protection or accountability for treatment of kids and families.
"To have him disciplined"?

Why are you, in fact, taking the same route as the said director? Wouldn't you want to go in a different direction? Repair? Progress?

Directors are often voted in by political bodies, indeed. As are many public leadership roles, and not only here. It's got to do with political bodies dealing with public funding and interests. I do not see that changing anytime soon.

There is a lot of possible accountability delivered by public media and exposure but I am not sure it will help the kids fast. What helps the kids fast is co-operating with their closest educational authority, home-room teachers (class teachers).

Good luck and let us know how things went. X
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For insults you could also go to the local peace judge who will try to mediate as a first instance or point you to the right direction.
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Re: Laws on school head / teachers manhandling kids

I think there must be as my son's teacher was very worried when my son said she had hurt him!
They should tell you at the parents information evenings about the structure of the school, school commission, inspectorate etc. I would have thought that is where to go first, if you have proof.
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There’s a simple weapon to use when wanting quick results of action at schools: have the story published in the media. However, be very careful when iimplementing this tactic as facts can become misconstrued and reputations irreparably damaged.
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Re: Laws on school head / teachers manhandling kids

Well folks, that's what I get for trying to ask for help here on finding resources!
I really just asked for some direction on lawyers who have experience in such cases.
None of this is hearsay. Simply trying not to give too much info of witnessed events, abusive (insulting) conversations with parents etc.,. The person involved has already been in the newspapers for a gross misjudgement regarding kids safety and exposing them to serious danger. Still in position in School Head however and it is indeed a decision taken by the Canton which is challenged on going by Swiss parents in our community.
Thanks to those of you who did try to provide some tips. Let's leave it there...
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Well folks, that's what I get for trying to ask for help here on finding resources!
More accurately, is what you get for being vague and for using a thread title that's not the real question you want answered.

Pretty sure that if you'd entitled it 'looking for a specialist lawyer' and not hinted ambiguously at questions about what is the law you wouldn't have had half so many replies like those that seem to be annoying you.

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Oh dear......
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