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Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner?

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News websites also count. I'm looking for something that helps me learn high-usage words and expressions in the context.
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

20 Minuten.
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

Yes, as above. Any of the free newspapers will do; they are generally written in a very simple style, short sentences, nothing complicated.

20 Minuten has a website, too.

You might also like to try the app WordBit -- it gives you a new word to learn every time you look at your smartphone. It's comprehensive and very good. Available for Android and presumably iOS too, although I don't know for sure.
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

Deutschlandfunk, essentially the state owned "news and culture" radio station of Germany, prepares news in simple language every Friday. I think this started with the refugees having to all learn German... anyways, there is not just the radio news, they also publish the texts and recordings on a website: https://www.nachrichtenleicht.de/
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

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Agree, as long as you don't read the comments. Their wording/grammar is very often horrible, to say the least.
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Agree, as long as you don't read the comments. Their wording/grammar is very often horrible, to say the least.
As are the people who have written most of the comments.
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

For a beginner there is also the program "Langsam gesprochene Nachrichten", as audio and text, from the Deutsche Welle, a state-sponsored German language learning resources:
https://www.dw.com/de/deutsch-lernen/nachrichten/s-8030
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

Personally I found newspapers and the like more of an obstacle than a help in learning German. For a beginner the preponderance of compound noun and verb forms in written German often made it very difficult to pick up the meaning, both in terms of recognising the 'active' part of a word and in working out a positive or negative slant added by multiple prefixes and endings.

Not that it's a reason not to do it, but my experience of learning French and Italian was that newspapers and magazines were a great way of picking up more idiomatic terms, but trying to do so in German just felt like hard work and reinforced my (then) negativity about it. Others' experience will differ, which is great, but I know I'm not the only person to have felt this.
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Personally I found newspapers and the like more of an obstacle than a help in learning German. For a beginner the preponderance of compound noun and verb forms in written German often made it very difficult to pick up the meaning, both in terms of recognising the 'active' part of a word and in working out a positive or negative slant added by multiple prefixes and endings.

Not that it's a reason not to do it, but my experience of learning French and Italian was that newspapers and magazines were a great way of picking up more idiomatic terms, but trying to do so in German just felt like hard work and reinforced my (then) negativity about it. Others' experience will differ, which is great, but I know I'm not the only person to have felt this.
20 Minuten journalists can barely manage to cobble together bisyllabic words, let alone compound nouns modified by pre- and suffixes.
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20 Minuten journalists can barely manage to cobble together bisyllabic words, let alone compound nouns modified by pre- and suffixes.
An example headline from today "What he experienced cant be put into words"... how about you try? Its your job...
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

I think the key is to read stuff that interests you. that gives you the motivation to keep going even if the words don't make any sense at first.


So if, for example you like motor racing, pick up a motor racing magazine and work your way through the most interesting-looking articles. Your prior knowledge plus the context plus the pictures should enable you to guess stuff without having to look everything up If you like goldfish, buy a magazine on aquariums and fish keeping and do the same. If you like drones or digital photography... you get the picture. Some people even buy Playboy just to read the editorial, apparently.
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Some people even buy Playboy just to read the editorial, apparently.
That's how I learned German! In no time at all I could strike up a conversation with cute girls in clubs about the role of patriarchy in post-modern co-dependent ergatocracies. I found it very difficult to compliment the girls on their clothes, though.
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

Newspaper articles generally make use of the preterite/simple past tense which is seldom used in spoken German especially in Southern Germany and Switzerland. If you speak to people around here using mostly preterite they will think there's something wrong with you.



In the news: "Someone stole the money"
Spoken: "Someone has stolen the money".
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... the preterite/simple past tense which is seldom virtually never used in spoken German especially in... Switzerland.
Not even the otherwise ubiquitous preterite of the verb "to be": "ich war" --> "ich bin gsi (gesein(!) --> gewesen)".
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Not even the otherwise ubiquitous preterite of the verb "to be": "ich war" --> "ich bin gsi (gesein(!) --> gewesen)".
It isn't used because IMO it doesn't exist.

I'm not aware of two verb forms in Swiss German that differentiate between "I was" and "I have been", there's only what you mentioned. Likewise for many future tenses. Off the top of my hat I can't think of any continuous tense at all, they're circumscribed (word?) with constructs such as "i bin am xyz [gsi]", "I am [was or have been] doing the xyz".
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Re: Which of the Swiss/German newspapers are the better for a beginner German learner

Absolutely brilliant resources!

OH will grumble when I tell him that movie night is going to take a back seat to 'slow German news' night, but he will thank you for these links later.
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Deutschlandfunk, essentially the state owned "news and culture" radio station of Germany, prepares news in simple language every Friday. I think this started with the refugees having to all learn German... anyways, there is not just the radio news, they also publish the texts and recordings on a website: https://www.nachrichtenleicht.de/

Is that supposed to be for people who are learning German?


The OH told me it's all explained extra slow and super simplified for people who are a bit challenged in understanding for mental reasons.


Which isn't really the same thing.


Sometimes the explanations are involuntarily funny.


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