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Sounds pretty!


How do you mean?
Visual, auditory, kinesthetic. We all learn with a mix of all three but tend to have a preferred approach. For instance, if someone tells me something, it might not stick, but if I read it (or better yet write it down again myself) it will. So I'm mostly a visual learner with kinesthetic leanings. However, the trick isn't always to bias learning to those strengths but to build on the others.

Blueangel, if that's not what you meant, apologies!

Amogles: I'm generally all for a mind dump, but I'm also big on planning. An essay plan really is the way to go.
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Old 15.05.2019, 11:27
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The majority of our thoughts are verbal garbage. Simply sort it out like you would sort out your garbage.
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Old 15.05.2019, 11:28
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Visual, auditory, kinesthetic. We all learn with a mix of all three but tend to have a preferred approach. For instance, if someone tells me something, it might not stick, but if I read it (or better yet write it down again myself) it will. So I'm mostly a visual learner with kinesthetic leanings. However, the trick isn't always to bias learning to those strengths but to build on the others.

Blueangel, if that's not what you meant, apologies!

Amogles: I'm generally all for a mind dump, but I'm also big on planning. An essay plan really is the way to go.

Ah, that
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Old 15.05.2019, 12:34
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I will pm you a contact for an excellent writing coach, if you feel like outsourcing some structured, systematic and strategic guidance. She's awesome, albeit in a diff time zone.
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Blueangel, if that's not what you meant, apologies!
That's exactly what I mean. I used to compose essays and work projects by writing key quotes, references, facts, etc, on different coloured post-its then rearranging their order until it flowed correctly.
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Old 15.05.2019, 14:45
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That's exactly what I mean. I used to compose essays and work projects by writing key quotes, references, facts, etc, on different coloured post-its then rearranging their order until it flowed correctly.
Different methods work for different people. Different coloured post-its just create chaos in my mind. I work more along the lines of piecing things together, seeing how the transitions work. I did some DJ-ing for a social dancing group at one time and I spent a lot of time lisrteing to the same songs in different orders (or just the beginning, highlights and end of the song to save time) in order to work out how much one song picked up on the general thread and ambiance of the previous one and took anything forward, or created any tension against it, and whether or not I felt that tension made sense or was just annoying brain noise. I don't think anybody realized to what level I planned and matched stuff, but I think people did notice that overall it was a good fit. I think writing a good essay or story is similar to that.

In both case the real art is being able to do that on the fly. But it takes practice and learning to get there.
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Different methods work for different people. Different coloured post-its just create chaos in my mind.
Exactly. We're all different. I can't have the post-its on display or attached to my laptop (as a lot of my colleagues did). They have to be inside a book or in a drawer. Having said that, I used to live near a writer in the UK, and you could always tell when he was working because his office window was covered in post-its.
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:04
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Freemind is quite a useful (and free) piece of software for creating mind-maps.

Of course you can do them with a pen and paper but with Freemind, you can make them very large with collapsible branches.
Would never have circumvented my life without mind-maps - always relied on Mindjet MindManager - which is brilliant (no, I have no interest in the company nor shares):

https://www.mindjet.com/en-mind-mapping-b6/?

It also helped my daughter to get great results throughout her Uni studies.

But it isn't free. Freemind sounds like a good tip, will try it.
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:07
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So that's what the EF is for?
What else?
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:24
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Would never have circumvented my life without mind-maps - always relied on Mindjet MindManager - which is brilliant (no, I have no interest in the company nor shares):

https://www.mindjet.com/en-mind-mapping-b6/?

It also helped my daughter to get great results throughout her Uni studies.

But it isn't free. Freemind sounds like a good tip, will try it.

4D mindmapping?
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:29
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4D mindmapping?
Wow!

Daughter is also working on something similar, in a different area
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Old 15.05.2019, 16:56
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Awesome.

Mind-mapping is not new by any means, it is actually a natural way to organize thoughts since human thinking is hardly ever linear. Even when we read lines of text, organized in a linear and consecutive way, the way our thoughts process the input is not linear. It is a texture.

The best way for me to organize my thought process is to go for a run, cook, iron clothes or play Bach. Then the structure of ideas becomes clear and I jot it down, reconstruct and order the sequence.

Doing a lot of reading always helps, I would not worry about writing an eloquent, persuasive or sophisticated test, before you get some reading done. Have fun with it, consider it an indulging pre-req. Pick an author who's style you like (for style musing I will suggest Pinker), and read a bunch of books by them, notice what they omit or what phrases they coin. Writers also tend to carry a notebook for thoughts, journaling and phrases they pick up off people.

We should start a writing assignment thread, we had a couple of them already..little homework, etc. Way better than emojis.
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Awesome.

Mind-mapping is not new by any means, it is actually a natural way to organize thoughts since human thinking is hardly ever linear. Even when we read lines of text, organized in a linear and consecutive way, the way our thoughts process the input is not linear. It is a texture.

The best way for me to organize a line of thought, is to go for a run, cook or iron clothes. Then the structure of ideas becomes clear and I jot it down, reconstruct and order the sequence.

Doing a lot of reading always helps, I would not worry about writing an eloquent, persuasive or sophisticated test, before you get some reading done. Have fun with it, consider it an indulging pre-req. Pick an author who's style you like (for style musing I will suggest Pinker), and read a bunch of books by them, notice what they omit or what phrases they coin. Writers also tend to carry a notebook for thoughts, journaling and phrases they pick up off people.

We should start a writing assignment thread, we had a couple of them already..little homework, etc. Way better than emojis.
I go for a daily 8km power-walk, read about 3 e-reader books a week, think that banning Jeremy Kyle is wrong, own an iron but never use it because it's just stupid, cook only high protein, low carb and healthy fat, carry a Moleskin next to my iPhone.

It all helps. There is something for everyone. Oh, and make sure that I'm up-to-date on climate change.
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Old 15.05.2019, 17:20
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I go for a daily 8km power-walk, read about 3 e-reader books a week, think that banning Jeremy Kyle is wrong, own an iron but never use it because it's just stupid, cook only high protein, low carb and healthy fat, carry a Moleskin.

It all helps. There is something for everyone. Oh, and make sure that I'm up-to-date on climate change.
"It all helps" is a fantastic motivational slogan for writing.

It does all help. Writing is never just about writing. That is just the visible output of a whole bunch of things.

What I like about writing is the fact that it is never the same. I do not think Squeeeze wants to write like X or Y, but be themselves, authentic in their expression. Even if they do not feel like it is good enough now, it actually might be...This drive to improve is admirable.

Speaking of form, meaning and sequence, haikus are sweet. It is a great way to maximize the effect by minimizing the form.

What I dislike, is instapoetry. It all sounds like marketing slogans on Snapple bottle. Lazy. Outrage-y.
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