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Re: Homeschooling is banned in CH...[not really, it depends on Canton]

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Today homeschooling has become an industry of sorts. The more I hear about it, the more impressed I am. Social inclusion is a huge part of it with groups of kids taught and the teaching shared between parents depending on specialisms/training of parents. Science lab days are booked-in, as are history, cultural, geography field trips. Professionals are brought in to instruct kids in real life settings. UK kids are often homeschooled until exam years and enroll GCSE Year 11 or go straight to 6th Form.

Home schooling clubs are incredibly well-organised and work out very much like a small class setting which enables parents to have a bespoke education teaching to their child's strengths and confidence.
This may be true in the UK, but not so much in the States. Homeschooling there is, unfortunately but usually, code for religious and right-wing indoctrination. The materials used are inferior and the kids suffer from a not so well-meaning education. At my high school/job, most of us held advanced degrees and were professionals in our fields. We had to work hard to catch up the homeschoolers who eventually enrolled. Homeschooling in the US has become very political. Trump is a big supporter, naturally.

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Old 19.09.2019, 13:08
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I personally don't agree with homeschooling but I'm not sure I can articulate why. I wouldn't want it for my kids, but I can see instances - such as chronic anxiety /school avoidance - where it is a sensible option. It's just not for me.

In my experience of teaching previously homeschooled kids, I've found them to be very strong in certain subjects like maths and English but with little to no experience of much else. Often, with regard to social /emotional development such as friendship groups, making and maintaining relationships, they are behind. Obviously this is just my experience.
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Often, with regard to social /emotional development such as friendship groups, making and maintaining relationships, they are behind. Obviously this is just my experience.
This is very significant, at the very time they should be experimenting and learning about this stuff, they are in fact excluded... and no about of play dates etc.... will teach the about the world - they have to learn about the bad things too.
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I personally don't agree with homeschooling but I'm not sure I can articulate why. I wouldn't want it for my kids, but I can see instances - such as chronic anxiety /school avoidance - where it is a sensible option. It's just not for me.

In my experience of teaching previously homeschooled kids, I've found them to be very strong in certain subjects like maths and English but with little to no experience of much else. Often, with regard to social /emotional development such as friendship groups, making and maintaining relationships, they are behind. Obviously this is just my experience.
Funny, if I had my time back again, I would homeschool my son within a club of kids and he is the more outgoing, social of our two. He would've thrived in a small setting and his confidence soar. My daughter, who is more anxious, and you would think would suit homeschooling, wouldn't at all, as she thrives in larger settings with a range of folks around her so school is actually very good for her.

One size doesn't fit all and I don't think it's down to needs as such, just down to the individual kid and knowing them.
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Old 19.09.2019, 14:01
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Funny, if I had my time back again, I would homeschool my son within a club of kids and he is the more outgoing, social of our two. He would've thrived in a small setting and his confidence soar. My daughter, who is more anxious, and you would think would suit homeschooling, wouldn't at all, as she thrives in larger settings with a range of folks around her so school is actually very good for her.

One size doesn't fit all and I don't think it's down to needs as such, just down to the individual kid and knowing them.
Yes but you know what you're talking about and could hit all the necessary spots.
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Old 19.09.2019, 14:26
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Yes but you know what you're talking about and could hit all the necessary spots.
Most of the parents I know are supporting schools anyway, especially primary as with cutbacks and poor resources, one teacher to a class of 30 can not do it all. So many parents are now well-versed with curriculum needs and the lack of the fun stuff/ natural learning which continues to be of concern. I don't know many parents who couldn't turn their hand to home schooling, especially if they have the support of a group to cover the full curriculum.

A friend started her new job in a woodland outdoors nursery school this September and is blown away by how successful and in-demand it is. There's a very long waiting list to get in - I am not at all surprised.
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Most of the parents I know are supporting schools anyway, especially primary as with cutbacks and poor resources, one teacher to a class of 30 can not do it all. So many parents are now well-versed with curriculum needs and the lack of the fun stuff/ natural learning which continues to be of concern. I don't know many parents who couldn't turn their hand to home schooling, especially if they have the support of a group to cover the full curriculum.

A friend started her new job in a woodland outdoors nursery school this September and is blown away by how successful and in-demand it is. There's a very long waiting list to get in - I am not at all surprised.
I love teaching. No way in hell would I want to teach mine! Teaching is one of those things everyone thinks is easy.
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Old 19.09.2019, 14:35
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I love teaching. No way in hell would I want to teach mine! Teaching is one of those things everyone thinks is easy.
You will.

Just wait until older school begins and the gaps start.. all those bloody gaps. I feel quite sorry for teachers in UK schools, atm.

EDIT: Sorry, think I am dragging the thread off topic a bit. I should stick to the brexit thread
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Old 19.09.2019, 14:45
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You will.

Just wait until older school begins and the gaps start.. all those bloody gaps. I feel quite sorry for teachers in UK schools, atm.

EDIT: Sorry, think I am dragging the thread off topic a bit. I should stick to the brexit thread
Oh I'll make sure any gaps are filled and I'm fortunate to be in a position to do so, but day in day out? No thank you.
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Teaching is one of those things everyone thinks is easy.
Not me. I go to Basil Fawlty mode in about 0.33 seconds.
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Funny, if I had my time back again, I would homeschool my son within a club of kids.
Genuine question: how does that differ from you and the other parents just starting your own school? I'm assuming that you'd have to work to some agreed, approved curriculum, so aren't you simply saying that you're better at teaching than the schoolteachers?

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Well it might be, if it weren't for all those darned kids

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I guess for teachers who have aptitude & can create rapport with the children it is.
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Genuine question: how does that differ from you and the other parents just starting your own school? I'm assuming that you'd have to work to some agreed, approved curriculum, so aren't you simply saying that you're better at teaching than the schoolteachers?


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Re: Homeschooling is banned in CH...[not really, it depends on Canton]

I believe the main reason why homeschooling and private schools are regarded with suspicion around here is that they're seen as a tool to create classes. The better-off homeschool or send their children to private schools while the working class has to do with public schools.

I read Swisstree's #26 as a direct confirmation of that suspicion.
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Genuine question: how does that differ from you and the other parents just starting your own school? I'm assuming that you'd have to work to some agreed, approved curriculum, so aren't you simply saying that you're better at teaching than the schoolteachers?
No, not saying that. Teachers in school have to adhere to a system and are timetabled, which often means they only have 30 minutes on a subject topic when they would prefer more time for an indepth study to consolidate learning. Weaker or newly qualified teachers also spend a bulk of their class time trying to class manage, but fail with discipline. Teaching in a school/classroom involves a great deal to get to the point of optimal learning. Stress on school's budgets might mean reduced support for the teacher and less free time to plan classes etc. all this has an impact on learning.

Teaching day-in day-out indoors for home learning in the UK is long gone. With the homeschool clubs, two parents might supervise and take a group of five kids say to the natural history museum and teach there. The following day, a science project with a field trip with another parent/s, allowing the remaining parents time off to work. That is the beauty of it, I guess.. everyone works and supports each other within the group to get the best out of it for the kids.
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Just in case it's break-time:
America's Got Talent
Ryan Beard, homeschooled singer, at the time of this audition 18 years old
https://youtu.be/iJsn-gIwkwI
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I personally don't agree with homeschooling but I'm not sure I can articulate why. I wouldn't want it for my kids, but I can see instances - such as chronic anxiety /school avoidance - where it is a sensible option. It's just not for me.

In my experience of teaching previously homeschooled kids, I've found them to be very strong in certain subjects like maths and English but with little to no experience of much else. Often, with regard to social /emotional development such as friendship groups, making and maintaining relationships, they are behind. Obviously this is just my experience.
Fully agree. In my opinion, the main purpose of primary school for a child is to learn how to survive socially, but they don't learn that when being at home alone all day with mommy or daddy. Homeschooling is one of the worst things you can do to your child.
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Fully agree. In my opinion, the main purpose of primary school for a child is to learn how to survive socially, but they don't learn that when being at home alone all day with mommy or daddy. Homeschooling is one of the worst things you can do to your child.
It depends. There are situations where homeschooling is better for some children.
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aren't you simply saying that you're better at teaching than the schoolteachers?
All teaching is not the same. I've been privileged in having taught in an unusually wide variety of settings, from large classes of rowdy kids to one-to-one specialist tuition, and everything in between. The dynamics of each group, the class management skills, the teaching methods, the assessment methods, each time were completely different.

So sure, you wouldn't want to drop Mrs Yoder of Schmucksville OH into a class of thirty secondary school students in Wolverhampton and expect her to achieve much, but there is no reason why - with adequate preparation on her part - she can't provide a rich and productive learning environment (including social opportunities) for her three kids who - for whatever reason - didn't quite fit into the frankly rather artificial environment of a public school classroom.

Teaching is neither as simple - nor as complicated - as it's sometimes painted. Context, as always, is everything. Homeschooling really can be a very enriching and beneficial experience for kids - but not all kids, not all the time, just as every school classroom doesn't benefit all kids, all the time.

I've always argued for parental choice in education, whether that be private vs public schooling or church-funded vs secular schooling. I see no valid reason at all why homeschooling should be taken completely off the table when it comes to educational options.
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In my opinion, the main purpose of primary school for a child is to learn how to survive socially.
Oh dear, that was my weak point, everything else I got straight As!

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