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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

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Because you're bright and had someone giving you the specialist support in order to help you become an independent learner. Exactly.

Mind you, you have some weird ideas about food... 😁
No specialist support, my mother discovered it when I was older. (10 or so)

Only found out myself decades later, when I asked her about a friend of mine (adult).

Explains the occasional weird shit (reading a book and the last few pages were gibberish, and I have to re-read them, for example, or highway exit signs that make no sense, or that I can't read music in real time).

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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

Not really sure why all this talk about U.K. schooling is relevant to this thread.
The OP is in Switzerland and is asking for help for her child in the Swiss school system.
I know that there are measures available to help dyslexic students in the gymnasiums here in Neuchâtel, the help they get depends on the nature of their difficulties. The OP needs to be persistent, if her child is truly bright and capable of getting his matura then he should be given the chance to do so.
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Not really sure why all this talk about U.K. schooling is relevant to this thread.
The OP is in Switzerland and is asking for help for her child in the Swiss school system.
I know that there are measures available to help dyslexic students in the gymnasiums here in Neuchâtel, the help they get depends on the nature of their difficulties. The OP needs to be persistent, if her child is truly bright and capable of getting his matura then he should be given the chance to do so.
Thank you. This answers my question.

The UK sidebar happened because apparently the UK is easier. Or something.
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I know that there are measures available to help dyslexic students in the gymnasiums here in Neuchâtel, the help they get depends on the nature of their difficulties. The OP needs to be persistent, if her child is truly bright and capable of getting his matura then he should be given the chance to do so.
Thanks. Could you perhaps post links, please, so that OP can see whether she could use that info to take back to her school authorities?
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Thank you. This answers my question.

The UK sidebar happened because apparently the UK is easier. Or something.
It is not easier, it is very different, much narrower and with some options which are much easier, especially for some students- compared to the Continental broad system. Understanding this helps with understanding reasons- and also opens other options. If it was my child, I would want to study all possibilities.

What happens in NE may not be the same as in VS. So getting in touch with the relevant associations and/or edu departments in the C/Kanton is essential.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

There must be a "renfort pédagogique" in every Gymnase, I believe. I know that there are many outsourced logo specialists here and they cooperate with schools. The Dept of post-obligatory education will give the OP info on strategies, specialists and treatments. I like the fact that the help is separate from the schools, makes the students independent. Usually teachers are much more helpful and accomodating when they know that the parents/students are proactive and do not leave it up to the school, only.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

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Thanks. Could you perhaps post links, please, so that OP can see whether she could use that info to take back to her school authorities?
My comment was based on my experience of teaching dyslexic teenagers in post obligatory schooling here in Neuchâtel and the support they receive. ( three in Lycée (gymnasium) doing Maturité gymnasiale and one doing a maturité spécialisée in an ECG).

Here’s a link in French for Neuchâtel which may be helpful as it cites the specific articles of the law. The link Odile gave to the Romandie dylexsia association is also a good resource but the OP really needs info specific for her area as education is a cantonal thing.

http://www.adsr.ch/images/FO27_04_AC...bligatoire.pdf
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

Both links I gave (first on 7th) give specific info for Valais and Valais contacts.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

There are several complicating issues here. In the UK there is a document called the SEND Code of practice (Dept for Education) laying out in great detail what each school in each sector must provide for students with SEN. While the system is far from perfect there is a national benchmark and it has been mandated. There is a 3 Wave system which schools are supposed to follow (of course some schools are better than others) and each school must have a SENCO a dedicated teacher whose role is to look after SEN students and implement the 3 Wave system.

In Switzerland although they have signed up for the various international Inclusion statements for action such as Salamanca the implementation of those frameworks are decentralised and context dependant which is why you will find differences between Cantons and even schools.

In my professional experience having both attended interdisciplinary meetings with the local schulpsychologische dienst as well as having contact with independent Swiss Logopedagogie professionals (one who is also a personal friend) I can offer the following observations.

There is (at least in my area) a gap between diagnostic recommendations and implemented teaching practice. There are numerous reasons for this gap but one is that subject teachers are neither trained nor prepared for teaching in a dyslexia friendly manner. And there is a lack of specialist teachers to cover demand in the system.

Added to that there have been recent political changes which have stemmed from Swiss Universities communicating some dissatisfaction with the level of German from regular students graduating with the matura. Different Cantons have reacted differently but some have introduced measures such as requiring a higher minimum German grade.

As far as I am aware there used to be dispensation for students with dyslexia (in terms of extra time in tests etc) at gymnasiums but I have been informed by several people that such allowances (at least in several schools I know of) have been discontinued.

Nonewithstanding, allowances and accommodations are but a small supportive measure for students with dyslexia. As important is school policy where those accommodations are reflected in general teaching practice. As important is whole school training where teachers understand the basics of what neurodiversity is, the various ways it can manifest, the plethora of practical strategies that can benefit not only those with dyslexia but the majority of students. As important is work on reflective practice with teachers where teachers are able to discuss and explore their own doubts and insecurities when working with neuro diverse students. There is so much more to this. I'm a dyslexia specialist teacher and English teacher committed to inclusion and have just completed a graduate thesis/research project on this very topic.

As a side note. Dyslexia has little to do with intelligence. It is a learning difficulty that primarily affects the skills involved in accurate and fluent word reading and spelling. Characteristic features of dyslexia are difficulties in phonological awareness, verbal memory and verbal processing speed. (Rose).

I have worked with some students with dyslexia who will struggle to get anywhere near a 4 in their GCSE's. And others who once the right strategies were put in place (including the explicit teaching of metacognitive strategies) absolutely took off and many went to University.

As a side note. (i) GCSE's and A levels are not really an easy option. They are academically rigorous. I recently tutored a student with Dyslexia helping them at iGCSE Biology. Biology in fact requires a high level of literacy and precision in word choice. It requires close reading of dense text and is complicated by the requirement that students must use the correct terminology at all times. I would say Maths is probably the only subject where the lexical load does not place an increased stress on the student(unless it is IB Maths which requires at times lengthly reflection).

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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

A'Levels are indeed not an 'easy' option- especially in academic subjects. The difference is, that in the UK students choose their best/favourite A'levels, study 4 in Year 12, and 3 only (for the majority of students) for A'Levels- and can retake maths or English GCSE alongside if they don't reach the minimum C, age 15/16, for uni entrance.

So it is just totally different - very narrow- or wide having to pass in all subjects, and have to retake the whole year if one subject fail. And A'Levels do not give automatic access to Uni. Just a totally different kettle of fish.

Impossible in CH, or in Continental Europe- to select 3 subjects only. In the UK, students can choose 4, then down to 3- non-academic subjects, depending on future career choice. Many of the subjects offered for A'Levels, which can be mixed with other vocational exams too- don't even figure anywhere on CH syllabuses. No-one in CH can choose, IT, Design and technology and Business studies- and NO other subjects, just as one example.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

Odile, please stop banging this drum. I'm not sure what you mean by academic subjects. You really are out of touch with the new A Levels if you don't understand how rigorous they all, all are. Yes re-sits are an option however not an easy one, but judging from a previous post of yours that's also an option for gymi. Not sure the relevance.

Moorsholm's excellent and focused post above is spot on and evidently comes from an expert in the field of Dyslexia.

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Sorry Rufus- not banging any drum- just stating how very different the 2 systems and choices are. Very different to choose your 3 favourite/best subjects, in which you excel - to having to take all subjects and pass in all.
Different systems have different pros and cons, and suit different students. So, just 3 subjects among the massive list above- which differ from College to College - picked this one from the Brochure of one I know well, where I still have strong contacts and discussed this just the other day, and which my daughters attended.

Look at applying for medicine. In CH, the 2 unis in Romandie have no numerous clausus - get your Bac, apply and in you go - with massive % of failure in first year. In the UK, you would have to only take sciences (and or maths) and get As, + apply and be, or not, chosen. Just can't compare. Not quite sure why this seems to upset you so much.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

Which is all totally irrelevant to this thread, nobody was asking for a comparison of the two systems.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

I did explain why it is relevant BM- the Bac/Matu gives automatic access to Uni- it is therefore considered that students post 16 have to be able to cope with 'academic' study. Upper Wallis is not reknowed for being 'opened' - and rightly or as I believe, wrongly - it is likely that the attitude will be 'perhaps best to do vocational apprenticeship'. As said, with links given- only the Wallis/Upper Wallis authorities can advise.
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I did explain why it is relevant BM- the Bac/Matu gives automatic access to Uni- it is therefore considered that students post 16 have to be able to cope with 'academic' study.
Okay, I'm trying hard to follow along here. Are you arguing that someone who is dyslexic can't "cope with 'academic' study" - and thus should not be allowed to be in gymi - because successfully passing gymi means the student automatically gets into uni here?
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

No, you misread me. I am saying that the edu authorities in CH, and in particular in some of the most 'rural central' Kantons - may well do- depending on the degree and type of dyslexia.
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I did explain why it is relevant BM- the Bac/Matu gives automatic access to Uni- it is therefore considered that students post 16 have to be able to cope with 'academic' study.
Nope, it’s still not relevant to this thread.

You made a suggestion of possibly doing UK schooling as an option for the OP, had the OP followed up on that it may have been relevant.
As things stand it is totally irrelevant to this thread to make continuous posts about how the UK system works.
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Okay, I'm trying hard to follow along here. Are you arguing that someone who is dyslexic can't "cope with 'academic' study" - and thus should not be allowed to be in gymi - because successfully passing gymi means the student automatically gets into uni here?
My wife is also dyslexic, she got a degree in English & writes scripts for chief executives. I don't think dyslexics should be discriminated against for being dyslexic.
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Re: Compensation for dyslexia in gymnasium

I understand that there is clearly more choice in the UK system.

What is frustrating me - besides the fact you do seem to think dyslexia is a barrier to learning full stop - is your heavy implication that post-16 study in the UK, or 14-16 study for that matter, is less academically rigorous than in CH.

As you say the systems are different. You do however seem to be keen that the CH one is harder.

None of this is relevant to dyslexia.

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