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School teachers decision

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As you may know children in the 5th or 6th grade(based on the Canton) must receive a decision on which direction they will go: Sekundarschule or gymnasium.
Is there any way to appeal such a decision?
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Re: School teachers decision

Move to Ticino, we don't have that.

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Hi All,
As you may know children in the 5th or 6th grade(based on the Canton) must receive a decision on which direction they will go: Sekundarschule or gymnasium.
Is there any way to appeal such a decision?
thank you
No one has to to go to gymi. That's a personal decision. However, if you would like your child to go to gymi but they don't have the marks for it, then it begs the question as to why you feel it's important.
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Old 01.07.2020, 10:32
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Hi All,
As you may know children in the 5th or 6th grade(based on the Canton) must receive a decision on which direction they will go: Sekundarschule or gymnasium.
Is there any way to appeal such a decision?
thank you
As you stated, it all depends on the canton. Now with a profile "location, location, location" your question is not answerable.

If you were in canton Zurich, this could help.
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Re: School teachers decision

Gymi at end of Primary school is based on grades received or on the basis of entrance exam. Either you make it or not. There is no discretionary decision AFAIK and hence no appeal.

The other continuing education options, whether Sekundar, Sekundar-Pro, Real etc are again mainly segregated based on grades (1st half of year) and teacher opinion. The teacher usually discusses this with parents & student 6-8 months before the school year end and then again closer to decision time.

If you disagree with teacher recommendation, there is an appeal path to Schulleiter and then to Gemeinde/Bezirk. But usually this is relevant only in borderline cases.

And yes, would help if you say which Kanton.
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Move to Ticino, we don't have that.

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Neither do we.
Not in Ticino.
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Gymi at end of Primary school is based on grades received or on the basis of entrance exam. Either you make it or not. There is no discretionary decision AFAIK and hence no appeal......
An other possibility is to take the gymi exam again a year later. But the same rule applies: Either you make it or not.

Same goes for kids sent to "Oberschule" and want to join "Sekundarschule" (attention, that's how the sorting used to be in my days in the canton I was at that age - it has changed, so sort the levels according to your present knowledge ). The kid can take an other exam after a year, a friend of mine did that back then and carried on in Sekundarschule after that.
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Re: School teachers decision

Thank you all for the answers!

sorry, i forgot to say that is canton of Bern.
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Old 01.07.2020, 12:19
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Re: School teachers decision

And of course there are private gymnasiums.

Just talk to you child about all this too. You are not necessarily doing your child a favour by forcing it through a school it's not up to.
A "Matura" can be done as an adult too, even besides having a regular job. And some people are not ready for this as a youngster.

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Hi All,
As you may know children in the 5th or 6th grade(based on the Canton) must receive a decision on which direction they will go: Sekundarschule or gymnasium.
Is there any way to appeal such a decision?
thank you
If you're worried about university, gymnasium is the straightest path to university/ETH/EPFL because the kid gets a matura title from the gymnasium. But it is not the only path, read this link https://www.ch.ch/en/higher-educatio...ualifications/

One significant difference from Switzerland to other countries are the fachhochschules/haut écoles. They're not called "universities" but they offer bachelors and masters in architecture, civil engineering, chemistry, computer science, biotechnology, even music. The admission requirement to these institutions is a berufsmatura/matura profesionnelle. A kid with this title can study any of the bachelors above. If still wants to go to a "university" an exam is possible, see the link above.

PS. somehow I did not fell to burnout after my parents were pushing me hard trough the university path, maybe I just had what was needed or simply chance. One of my nephews was pushed in the same way by my sister and quite probably fell to burnout on the 2nd year of college, then dropped out. Now there's a depressed 21 YO with no hope to get a college degree and without any practical knowledge to earn a living.
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Hi All,
As you may know children in the 5th or 6th grade(based on the Canton) must receive a decision on which direction they will go: Sekundarschule or gymnasium.
Is there any way to appeal such a decision?
thank you
The school systems are different in each Kanton. Can you be a little more specific about exactly what you want know. Are you curious about a specific situation or do you just generally want to know if there is an appeals process?

Also, the studends have to possiiblity to enter Gynmnasium after 6th grade, after the second year of Sekundarschule and after the third year of Sekundarschule.

In some cases the acceptance is based on grades and teacher recomendations. In others, it is based on a combination of an admission testsand grades.

In Zürich, parents have the option to inspect the admissions tests. The admission test grade can be adjusted if the grader has made a mistake.
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In zurich, maybe top 5% go to Gymnasium. And around 50%, even if they pass the extrance exam, do not pass the probation period (first semester) and are thrown back out to sekundarschule.



In Zurich the exam is only maths and German. If you are not High German mother-tongue, you are at a significant disadvantage.


There is no guarantee that if your child gets into Gymi, they will finish it...
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Re: School teachers decision

Our conseillère d'état (VD) for schooling made it clear a few times that there should be leniency with cases that are off by 0.5 points or so - due to the confinement situation. OP, try to really talk to the teacher and director first. Explain why your child has missed by such a little margin.

If your child hasn't missed by a little margin but by a lot, the chances are that your child knew and just hadn't told you early enough when there was still time to really do something about it. The general stream isn't soooo different where we are, now you have a few months to pay tutors to get your child (should they want) up the snuff and have them transfer to the gymnase stream in February. It is possible in VD, not sure about your canton.

And - preventatively, get yourself more info on these things in a timely way. Acting in June/July is late. Calling up the teacher in Feb/March would have been the right thing. Maybe the teacher thinks more practical stream suits your child better. Hugs!
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Re: School teachers decision

Well, do you recall when you were in the school and simply didnt like one particular teacher and vice-versa, however the other teachers were simply magnificent?
In this case, my child has a "blunt" relationship with the leading teacher. This may lead to some subjectivity in the recommendation. This recommendation is one component of the final decision. Otherwise the marks are good enough and the third component is child opinion.
However, based on the above, i expect some "bias" in the final decision. This is the reason for opening this thread.
Thank you all for the answers, i appreciate your efforts.

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Well, do you recall when you were in the school and simply didnt like one particular teacher and vice-versa, however the other teachers were simply magnificent?
In this case, my child has a "blunt" relationship with the leading teacher. This may lead to some subjectivity in the recommendation. This recommendation is one component of the final decision. Otherwise the marks are good enough and the third component is child opinion.
However, based on the above, i expect some "bias" in the final decision. This is the reason for opening this thread.
Thank you all for the answers, i appreciate your efforts.
Hang in there. To be honest, kids who had to work harder through the roundabout ways to uni - learn to really learn. Metalearning is a skill that stick to you for life. I hope it works out for your kid, either way.
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Re: School teachers decision

This sounds like a tough situation. And, I as unfair as it is, please remember the following...

1. There are two more chances to be accepted to Gymnasium. After the 2nd. Sek and after the 3rd. Sek. Plenty of smart, good students don't make it to Gymi right after primary school and then do go after Sekundary school. Also, tons of Swiss people have told me that 5 years of Gymi is a much better social experience than 7 years of Gymi.

2. The non-Gymi options in Switzerland can be extremely good. All over Switzerland, I've had bosses (and bosses of bosses etc...) who have no studied at University.

3. As much as it feels/is unfair, this may be a good lesson for your child, that sometimes you are in a situation with someone in charge who you don't like and who maybe doesn't like you and there really isn't anything you can do about it. They are in charge and you kind of just have to accept it. You can give them the example of a boss you or your partner has that you didn't like and that you just have to bight the bullet and deal with it.

And what to do...
You might want to use this time to discuss with your child that part of their job the next couple of years is not only to do well in school, but also to find a way (with your help) to do well for this teacher (see number 3).
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Re: School teachers decision

I teach in canton Berne at grade 5/6 level:
In Canton Berne the decision is done differently than in other cantons.
First of all, there is no Gymi after grade 6. There is SEK and REAL, some communities have a SPEZ SEK (kind of a pre-gymi). Gymi starts in grade 9. Kids can go to Gymi from SPEZ SEK, or, with a teacher's recommendation, from SEK, or they pass the entrance exam. Or they can do 9th grade in SEK, then enter into GYM1 after that extra year (again with a recommendation or exam).
The process of selection in Grade 6 is as follows: The teacher makes a recommendation based on marks as well as work habits. The parents and the student do the same. Then there is a discussion between parents and teachers, the decision is made together. If parents and teachers cannot come to an agreement, the child can take an exam in Math, German and French. The results of the exam supercede any previous agreements and are final. All three subjects are tested, taking the exam in only one subject is not possible.
So let's say, the teacher places the child in Real, but agrees that the child could go to SEK in Math (this is possible in many schools): If the child takes the exam and does not pass Math, the child will be placed in REAL, even though SEK was agreed to previously. The decision can be appealed, but chances of success are slim to none.
However...kids can move up or down levels at any time of the year if teachers and parents agree. So if a child is placed in REAL and later achieves 5.5s or 6s, moving up a level is possible.
Even if the teacher is a little biased, if the marks are 5 or more, generally a teacher will agree for the child to try SEK. 5.5 is generally needed for SPEZ SEK. Taking the exam is always an option.

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As you may know children in the 5th or 6th grade(based on the Canton) must receive a decision on which direction they will go: Sekundarschule or gymnasium.
Is there any way to appeal such a decision?
thank you
In our town, the order of appeal is as follows:
1. Teacher
2. School Principle (Schulleiter)
3. School Board (Schulrat)

If you get turned down at level 3, you will have to find a different route to get back on the Gymnasium track.
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In zurich, maybe top 5% go to Gymnasium. And around 50%, even if they pass the extrance exam, do not pass the probation period (first semester) and are thrown back out to sekundarschule.
It's tough in Zurich but not that tough! Stats for this year for Zurich.
Top 15% go to Langzeitgymi, with a probation pass rate 90%
A further 12% go to Kurzeitgymi, with a probation pass rate 84%.
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Re: School teachers decision

Looking back at our kids time in the Swiss schooling system (Canton Zug) I think we spent too much energy on "will they pass the exams" and too little on their social development. Small class sizes, class groups staying the same over years (primary school - six years in the same class!) mean that personal relationships are going to be more important than say in NZ where it is much more possible to pass through school without being noticed or judged negatively. Those form teachers in primary and sek are going to have a big influence - we could have cultivated them better
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