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Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

My little boy is currently at 2nd year of Sek-A and he doesn't like schools at all. His brother is currently in Gymi and would like to become a doctor like his uncle. His sister also made up her mind to be a vet and works hard toward her goal. He's the youngest kid in my family but is probably also the smartest one. I could understand schools are quite boring to him, so I encouraged him to pursue apprenticeship first and then figure out something on his own.

He said he would like to be a Youtuber but none of those apprenticeship seem to align with his goal. On the one hand, I think it's good that he knows what he wanna to be and looks very confident about his future. On the other hand, I observed he spent most of his time on gaming which I believe was a bit over. I want to encourage him to pursue his passion, but gaming doesn't seem like a good use of his talents. Whenever I want to show him something else, he mostly replied "no more preaching, please".

If you were in my shoes what would you do?
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

I'm not a parent, but that said:
Being a successful youtuber is incredible stressful.
They easily have 100h+ work-weeks.

And usually no day off, because youtube rewards daily, consistent uploads with higher recommendation-rates. So, you basically work 365d/y. If you want a vacation, you have to pre-produce these videos - which may or may not work in the subject of his channel.

Above all, it requires you to be passionate about something - and not only youtube and gaming (which would be twitch - live-streaming of games, which is different kind of niche).

And by passionate, I mean absolutely, completely 100% committed.

Just sitting in from of your computer all day and commenting on other's youtube-videos does not count.

I believe, people who dream of a career as a youtuber are aspiring to be somebody like this guy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Finanzen/co...in_kommentaren

Getting away from the Youtube / Social Media Dopamin Feedback Cycle is very difficult.


How old is he anyway and how smart is he?
ADHD?
IQ-test?
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My little boy is currently at 2nd year of Sek-A and he doesn't like schools at all. His brother is currently in Gymi and would like to become a doctor like his uncle. His sister also made up her mind to be a vet and works hard toward her goal. He's the youngest kid in my family but is probably also the smartest one. I could understand schools are quite boring to him, so I encouraged him to pursue apprenticeship first and then figure out something on his own.

He said he would like to be a Youtuber but none of those apprenticeship seem to align with his goal. On the one hand, I think it's good that he knows what he wanna to be and looks very confident about his future. On the other hand, I observed he spent most of his time on gaming which I believe was a bit over. I want to encourage him to pursue his passion, but gaming doesn't seem like a good use of his talents. Whenever I want to show him something else, he mostly replied "no more preaching, please".

If you were in my shoes what would you do?
There are plenty youtubers/tiktokers/instagramers in his age that have extremely successful channels with many followers. Just ask him why he doesn't.
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

Give him a clip and push him to go to uni/apprenticeship for a bit in order to learn a bit of something. Whether it be film production or marketing, there'll be something of use for him, even if he drops out after a few months.
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

One of my son's school friends is a 'professional' online gamer. He earns a fair bit. Note that wrote 'school friend'.

Your son can do both.
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Sometimes that just means "wants to be famous and rich, with little effort".

My daughter just said - all the youtubers she watches are very clear on these points.

1. Finish your education
2. You have to have a backup as it is extremely difficult to make it in a very crowded platform
3. You can do it as a hobby or a profession. If you want to make money, then you need to do it as a profession.
3. If you want to do it is a profession - you need to finish your education and you need help from people who understand how to manage a business. I.e. you have to be a professional!

Check out the youtube channel "Group Theorists". https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCo_...EVNcf8hw1Kku7w

However, I'd look very carefully at what he finds so awful about school and see if that can be addressed. It could be he's got one or two discouraging or anti-inspiring teachers. If he's really smart and there's subjects he enjoys, consider ways that can be developed. My son complained of being bored during maths, so I gave him a copy of Spivak's Calculus. He'd sneakily work on that during maths lessons, after he'd done the easy stuff.
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

Set some ground rules for all your children, including that when they finish their education they will have to pay rent and cover the household expenses. Not only food but electricity, internet and TV costs. Not immediately but within 3 or 4 months. Calculate that amount based on what he would have to pay if he moved out and offer a 10% discount because he is family.

The message being is we are prepared to support you while you are being educated but it ends when that finishes.

Give him some time to think about it.
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

Maybe let him dedicate one week of the upcomming vacation to "work" as a youtuber/streamer ?
Does he have any ideo of a unique selling point?
He won't have much succes being the 1001. warzone streamer online.
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

Think it comes down to determination. Personal anecdote: Nephew totally into online games etc. and not brilliant at school completed his Swiss commercial apprenticeship and later moved to Japan on his own for specific industry education in Japanese. Astonishingly (to me), after about three years he is now fluent, holds a local job and seems happy and well adjusted. Hats off!
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Maybe let him dedicate one week of the upcomming vacation to "work" as a youtuber/streamer ?
This is a good idea. Since it's his vacation, he can do whatever he likes. He could just work on it, himself, and go ahead and set it up.

In addition, offer to be his supervisor/mentor/consultant, in that. Tell him he could have, say, 1 or 2 hours of your time, per weekday (if you are employed and therefore busy), and on each of two weekends 5 hours of your time. Tell him those are business appointments which he can make with you, and you will give him your undivided attention then, and that you pledge to advise him from all the aspects you can think of, for example:
  • read any links he sends you,
  • think through the infrastructure he'd need (which he might already have, now, from you, but as an adult would have to finance, himself),
  • help him draw up a budget for his business, including such matters as tax and amortisation, and
  • that you will offer him honest constructive criticism of any of his ideas,
always with the aim of helping him succeed at this experiment.

Then, keep your side of the deal and watch whether he does. Naturally, as a worried parent you're thinking he should get his education, but he is tired of your saying so. So you could tell him that, by all means, he should try to research the whole matter, and you will try not to crush his dreams, and then he will have some sort of reality test.

If he's prepared to try this out, perhaps he should not give his best youtube idea for his first experiment, but a lesser one that, if it works, he might be able to maintain on the side. I say this because he still is at school and so, if he does actually set it up, he will still need time to finish school and must not and may not devote himself to full-time youtubing. Therefore, he should save up his best ideas for when he has the time, after completing school, to do it full-time.
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My little boy is currently at 2nd year of Sek-A and he doesn't like schools at all. His brother is currently in Gymi and would like to become a doctor like his uncle. His sister also made up her mind to be a vet and works hard toward her goal. He's the youngest kid in my family but is probably also the smartest one. I could understand schools are quite boring to him, so I encouraged him to pursue apprenticeship first and then figure out something on his own.

He said he would like to be a Youtuber but none of those apprenticeship seem to align with his goal. On the one hand, I think it's good that he knows what he wanna to be and looks very confident about his future. On the other hand, I observed he spent most of his time on gaming which I believe was a bit over. I want to encourage him to pursue his passion, but gaming doesn't seem like a good use of his talents. Whenever I want to show him something else, he mostly replied "no more preaching, please".

If you were in my shoes what would you do?
Wanting to be a youtuber means nothing to me. Isn't a bit like saying "I want to be an employee"?
To be successful on youtube one gotta offer/specialize in something. Even if only an influencer they have to decide on some product.

What Ato wrote crossed my mind too.

The first thing I would ask my son - and engage him into thinking about - therefore would be what exactly he would want to do on youtube. Then take it from there.
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Set some ground rules for all your children, including that when they finish their education they will have to pay rent and cover the household expenses. Not only food but electricity, internet and TV costs. Not immediately but within 3 or 4 months. Calculate that amount based on what he would have to pay if he moved out and offer a 10% discount because he is family.

The message being is we are prepared to support you while you are being educated but it ends when that finishes.

Give him some time to think about it.
Here are some standard examples of budgets for a single person, or a family, etc. It might be worth your while to work through these with him, so that he can see how much income he'd need to generate.

http://www.budgetberatung.ch/Budgetbeispiele.19.0.html

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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

As was said above, being a successful Youtuber isn't goofing around on Youtube for a bit. Takes a lot of commitment.
If he hates school, let him look for an appropriate apprenticeship, maybe something like this:
https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/sh...idx=60&id=3917
And then maybe set his sights on something like this:
https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/sh...dx=150&id=3251
or https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/sh...dx=150&id=3215
The skills he acquires making Youtube videos can be valuable, but I would not let him concentrate solely on this at such a young age. Uless, as also noted above, he would already display great talent and success (like a "Wunderkind" pianist or a gymnast).
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

Being a good YouTuber at least requires one to understand photography, videography, light and audio setups and ofc post-processing in Premier and the likes. There must be apprenticeship courses covering this for sure, maybe this is an option ?
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

I find this interesting. My OH's youngest came out with a similar suggestion. There are very cool skills that one can learn around this that have value elsewhere, as others have pointed out, Digital Media, Production Design, Lighting, Video Production and Editing, there's very cool tech around this too.

There does need to be more intention than just 'Youtuber' though. I'll admit that ours is more because he can't fathom the world beyond a chair and screen, but he just needs exposure.
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With apologies to Robert Heinlien, teach him TANSTAAFL.

There Ainít No Such Thing As A free Lunch.
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With apologies to Robert Heinlien, teach him TANSTAAFL.

There Ainít No Such Thing As A free Lunch.
He's not necessarily looking for a free lunch. He's a kid, one should be smart in motivating and exposing them to develop skills and talents where they may lie. There are things about this world that we don't grok. How kids interact with The Virtuality is very different from the way we all really get value of out spending time here, innit? Whatever it is you do, you have to be as good as you can, and all that takes is dedication, motivation, inspiration and practice, some talent will help.

The metaverse is coming. Just because we don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not a thing.
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Re: Teen who dislikes schools wants to be a Youtuber

I think this is a lovely post from you, asking for help, but also trying to understand more. I think that's wonderful and so endearing, since he's living in a very different world to the one you grew up in.


We have endless examples of people for whom the traditional school system wasn't the right fit, and they've found their feet in adulthood as they've matured.


A sad development of this age of phones is kids can't take them apart and learn how to put them together, and there's a pride amongst the affluent in throwing one's hands up and feigning an inability to repair things.


I'd look for role models for both of you amongst entrepreneurs truly charting their own path - Sara Blakely is such an example. Sarah Kauss is another. Stay well away from traditional, old-fashioned ideas of doctors, solicitors and police officers having good careers.



Suggest some of the better podcasts to him, which can both teach him the craft of podcasting, whilst also teaching him about topics that'll serve him well (handling finances, psychology, counselling, entrepreneurship, philosophy, photography). You'll need to invest time and energy into listening to the podcasts yourself, to recognise the better ones.



There are alternative educational establishments with different philosophies - the Dyson Institute of engineering and technology is such an example. James Dyson was a bored kid, and one of his sons was, too. You could both learn together about such institutions.


You could both volunteer, and bond over finding projects to help to creatively convey the stories of our most needy in the hopes of raising awareness.


I'd guess his comment about preaching is because he can see through you trying to guide him without knowing enough about the modern world yourself (a common bone of contention between kids and their parents).


Try to encourage him to join you, as you embark upon learning more. Ask for his help, wherever possible, if he understands something you don't. Show that you're excited to learn new things, and be a student, and you may find your kids find it contageous.
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I think this is a lovely post from you, asking for help, but also trying to understand more. I think that's wonderful and so endearing, since he's living in a very different world to the one you grew up in.
That's a very important point. I am probably "only" 15 years older than your son and already it's completetly different.

Whatever you do, imho, the most important thing is that you realize that to him, being a youtuber is as legiminate as being an accountant or whatever. So don't just dismiss this easily. You obviously don't, hence this thread, but I think it's important to give your son this impression as well.
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