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Teaching. Plz help

So, after living in Switzerland for a while, I'm thinking of attending UZH. I'll be going to UZH for a Masters of English Language and Linguistics, followed by a Lehrdiplom fur Maturitätschulen. I don't want to do something that will leave me jobless. I am 29 years old, this program should take 3-4 years (max).

Will doing a teaching diploma for this level open me opportunities, I really don't want to do something with no "future".

I appreciate all forthcoming advice
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Old 26.09.2021, 10:02
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Re: Teaching. Plz help

What do you want to do?

1) Teach English as a foreign language (which it appears to be for you too)?
This is chock full of native English speakers and over staffed - and includes many evenings and no holiday pay.

2) Teach English within the Swiss state school system? This appears highly unlikely as you will need much more besides English.

3) Do something totally different with the qualification.

You appear in danger of becoming a perpetual student! You will qualify at 33 years old…
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Re: Teaching. Plz help

Good questions AbFab.

Mind you, for all sorts of reasons (a terrible car crash and 2 years in and out of hospital and re-hab) followed by 2 children...) - I also went to Uni at 29 and qualified as a teacher 3 years later (should have been 4, but course moved towns and I could not follow)... and abroad, in a foreign language that I spoke and wrote fluently by then.

So it can be done. I started Uni the day our youngest started primary school.

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What do you want to do?

1) Teach English as a foreign language (which it appears to be for you too)?
This is chock full of native English speakers and over staffed - and includes many evenings and no holiday pay.

2) Teach English within the Swiss state school system? This appears highly unlikely as you will need much more besides English.

3) Do something totally different with the qualification.

You appear in danger of becoming a perpetual student! You will qualify at 33 years old…
Based on the original post I would say s/he’s looking at option 2 as s/he says he’ll do the postgraduate teaching diploma for teaching students at maturity level.

In this case I think it’s perfectly feasible and would lead to good job opportunities. Good English teachers with the qualifications to teach in state schools in Switzerland are a rare commodity.

S/He will need the required level in German for teaching at that level which I believe is C1.
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Old 26.09.2021, 11:11
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Re: Teaching. Plz help

I thought, in order to become a teacher in a Swiss (secondary) school, you go to a Fachhochschule and get a Masters of Teaching?
You also have more than 1 expert subject.

https://www.edk.ch/de/bildungssystem...0abgeschlossen.

If you want to become a primary school teacher, there are a lot of info days coming up;
https://start.phsg.ch/?gclid=Cj0KCQj...AaAgviEALw_wcB
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Sekundarschule teaching (secondary) is different to Mäturitätschule (Swiss Matura)....



Yes, you can go the linguistics+lehrdiplom pathway. I know someone else who is doing this at the moment.



One 'loophole' is that you will get a temporary 'lehrdiplom' whilst enrolled in the Masters....



However, personally, I would say do a proper teaching degree if you have the language skills - both for the teaching skills! and for the connections.


Unless you are really competent teacher already...



From what I understand, there is an oversupply of matura teachers, and the supply decreases as you go down the levels.

There is a noted lack of Kindergarten teachers in Switzerland -but for that you need to teach in the native/local language, and the pay is not as good as for higher age groups, but it's still a permanent career if you don't burn out in the first 5 years.
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Thing is, I don't feel confident teaching in a language I'm not comfortable in. I've been learning German for a while (and I still suck at it hahaha), so I'm not sure I'd be entirely suited to teach at a lower level. I've looked at PH's, its the logical thing to do, was even contemplating doing primary... but in the end, I don't think I can ever be comfortable teaching in a language.... I suck at.

I don't mind the pay, regardless which level. We're pretty comfortable, but I want something going for me, "my thing"

Does Sek I require a Masters? or is it all within the PH?
I know Sek II has further requirements. Primary school would be ideal with finding a job right away, but my insecurities (would need a C2 certificate for admission).

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Based on the original post I would say s/he’s looking at option 2 as s/he says he’ll do the postgraduate teaching diploma for teaching students at maturity level.

In this case I think it’s perfectly feasible and would lead to good job opportunities. Good English teachers with the qualifications to teach in state schools in Switzerland are a rare commodity.

S/He will need the required level in German for teaching at that level which I believe is C1.

This is the route I'll be taking, English Lit & Linguistics Masters + Lehrdiplom for matura schools. I've been warned by quite a few suggesting not to do it since finding a job is super hard...
Primary school would be a good bet at finding a job straight out of school, but I'm not confident in German, and don't think I can ever teach in a language I'm not comfortable in.

If you don't mind me asking, what level do you teach at?

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Re: Teaching. Plz help

https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/1900?id=3290
Lehrer/in für die Primarstufe

https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/1900?id=3291
Lehrer/in für die Sekundarstufe I

https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/13202?id=58
Lehrer/in für die Sekundarstufe II /Gymnasiallehrer/in

https://www.berufsberatung.ch/dyn/show/1900?id=4906
Lehrer/in für Maturitätsschulen

https://www.zh.ch/de/bildung/jobs-au...er-lehrer.html
Wie werde ich Lehrerin oder Lehrer? (information of the Canton of Zürich)

https://www.edk.ch/de/bildungssystem...links-1/lehrer
Lehrerin, Lehrer werden
(information of the Schweizerische Konferenz der kantonanle Erziehungdirektoren)

All the information here is in German, which you would need, anyway, even if you were to teach in English.
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Re: Teaching. Plz help

yeah, been through all these...

I'm just contemplating on whether English as single subject teachable with Lehrdiplom for matura levels is worth it. I don't want to end up with nothing to do after finishing graduating
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yeah, been through all these...

I'm just contemplating on whether English as single subject teachable with Lehrdiplom for matura levels is worth it. I don't want to end up with nothing to do after finishing graduating
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I suspect it's not what you want to hear but as has been said already above, I believe solely teaching English is rare. It's a saturated market and without excellent German/French etc how do you give appropriate feedback/explanations/ converse with colleagues and parents?

You could maybe go the private school route but, again, very much saturated with native speakers.
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I suspect it's not what you want to hear but as has been said already above, I believe solely teaching English is rare. It's a saturated market and without excellent German/French etc how do you give appropriate feedback/explanations/ converse with colleagues and parents?

You could maybe go the private school route but, again, very much saturated with native speakers.
It is not only saturated but also poorly payed if you hold a foreign degree, which apparently is not the case for OP, should she follow her plans. I mean relative to the Swiss educated teachers and I am talking about the public system here. I have a friend who teaches French in ZH (she holds a master in modern languages from back home) and it was only after quite some years when she realised how poorly payed she was compared to some of her colleagues. Indeed, her German is C2 level, otherwise she couldn't have taught a foreign language here.
Anyway, it's a relatively rewardless job for some, it seems.
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