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Why is Zukunftstag compulsory?

Zukunftstag- the national take your kid to work day (5/6 class). "This day is compulsory for all pupils and no alternative program will be offered."

What do the kids do who have nowhere to go? There must be loads of jobs where it's not feasible to take your child with you! Do they just stay home and have the day off?

My son can't go with my husband and (although we will likely tell the school he's working from home) we're supposed to sign a form specifying company name and address where he will be for the day.
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Zukunftstag- the national take your kid to work day (5/6 class). "This day is compulsory for all pupils and no alternative program will be offered."

What do the kids do who have nowhere to go? There must be loads of jobs where it's not feasible to take your child with you! Do they just stay home and have the day off?

My son can't go with my husband and (although we will likely tell the school he's working from home) we're supposed to sign a form specifying company name and address where he will be for the day.
There are programs offered on the website - have you checked for your region?

https://www.nationalerzukunftstag.ch/de/home/

Only annoying thing is the positive discrimination of trying to get girls to go and be a carpenter and boys hIrsdressers, wish they did not do that...
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There are programs offered on the website - have you checked for your region?

https://www.nationalerzukunftstag.ch/de/home/

Only annoying thing is the positive discrimination of trying to get girls to go and be a carpenter and boys hIrsdressers, wish they did not do that...
Hey kri the 1960's called, they would please like their gender stereotypes back.
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Re: Why is Zukunftstag compulsory?

Eh, I think those stereotypes are still fairly current.
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There are programs offered on the website - have you checked for your region?

https://www.nationalerzukunftstag.ch/de/home/

Only annoying thing is the positive discrimination of trying to get girls to go and be a carpenter and boys hIrsdressers, wish they did not do that...
It used to bring daughter to work day. My son missed out. Most of us had our daughters with us in the morning, took them out to lunch and then gave them the afternoon off, with strict instructions to keep quiet.

I think it's great when boys and girls do non-gender-traditional roles.
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Eh, I think those stereotypes are still fairly current.
I would be confident in betting that Zurich has more male hairdressers/stylists/coiffeurs/mechanised-razor-technicians than female, and by a significant margin.
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Re: Why is Zukunftstag compulsory?

Jusz say you are doing home office that day and all stay at home
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It used to bring daughter to work day. My son missed out. Most of us had our daughters with us in the morning, took them out to lunch and then gave them the afternoon off, with strict instructions to keep quiet.

I think it's great when boys and girls do non-gender-traditional roles.
I don't want stereotypes back but I also don't like my kids not to be able to choose whatever they like without programs for carpenters only being offered to girls and carer for small child to boy. Just have them all open for anyone - if my son wants to try be a carpenter he cannot.... that surely makes no sense? This is not "try to be in the other gender shoes' day" - it's try a profession day.
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My son can't go with my husband and (although we will likely tell the school he's working from home) we're supposed to sign a form specifying company name and address where he will be for the day.
Did you husband's company state that he is not allowed to bring your son to work? Unless your husband is in a very dangerous occupation, it would be unusual for his employer not to participate in this national activity and it may raise further questions. The only people I remember who were exempt in my time were a few research chemists who really were dealing with dangerous stuff.

I know of cases where kids went to work instead with an aunt or uncle or neighbour because they were more interested in those areas that what their parents were doing, but that is about it.
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Re: Why is Zukunftstag compulsory?

After it was bring your daughter to work day, it became Gendertag. Then boys went to see what their mums did and girls went to see what their dads did. Where it wasn't possible, they'd sign up - and be assigned exactly as you complain about, the opposite stereotype of job.

I guess that's still going on.


Hmm. Gendertag ... sounds like kiss chase!
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Re: Why is Zukunftstag compulsory?

I understand your frustration. Some people have a job situation where it is simply not plausible to take their kids to work (which is quite understandable being that many of us are still working from home or simply don't have a job where anything can be done with kids.)

But, the swiss school system has decided that your kid is off school and now you have a choice to (or not to) make the most of it. If you do bring your kid to work, I really recomend spending some time planing your day and what you'll do together. Most of our work isn't compatible with kids and no one wins if they just spend time sitting next to you at your desk or whatever. So why not come up with some activities where you can do something together and you and they can learn something. It'll probably only happen twice in a lifetime, after all.

The school also left out an important point with their communication --> many kids go to work with other adults, not their parents. Here are some things I've seen in the past years:
  • Lots of larger companies have organized programs for the kids that come. They aren't left with one adult for the entire day. You can contact neighbors and friends and ask if they have anything like that. (For example, a neighbors friend is joining my companies program this Nov.)
  • You can ask the school if they have any ideas. Two years ago, I emailed my daughter's teacher and ended up bringing a kid who I didn't know to my work program.
  • You or your child can contact a business that they find interesting. My daughter and her friends went to a local bakery and spent the morning helping out. They had no connection to the bakery and simply asked them.
  • Tell your child to ask friends what they are doing. Often, kids go with each other.
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I don't want stereotypes back but I also don't like my kids not to be able to choose whatever they like without programs for carpenters only being offered to girls and carer for small child to boy. Just have them all open for anyone - if my son wants to try be a carpenter he cannot.... that surely makes no sense? This is not "try to be in the other gender shoes' day" - it's try a profession day.
Given the current gender gap in numbers of carpenters, I would suggest if your boy wants to be a carpenter, it is still quite easy for him to pursue that path.
If you look at media aimed at children, it is slowly changing, but the likelihood is that what your son watches will have more representation of "traditionally male" jobs done by male characters than by women and of course vice-versa, which is why it is perhaps more important to allow girls to experience these things first hand, as they have far less contact with the concepts otherwise.
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Given the current gender gap in numbers of carpenters, I would suggest if your boy wants to be a carpenter, it is still quite easy for him to pursue that path.
If you look at media aimed at children, it is slowly changing, but the likelihood is that what your son watches will have more representation of "traditionally male" jobs done by male characters than by women and of course vice-versa, which is why it is perhaps more important to allow girls to experience these things first hand, as they have far less contact with the concepts otherwise.
Allowing girls is amazing! Not allowing boys not so much (and vice versa). Why have to categorize those roles all together and not just make them open to all? Perhaps with some positive role models etc?
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Did you husband's company state that he is not allowed to bring your son to work? Unless your husband is in a very dangerous occupation, it would be unusual for his employer not to participate in this national activity and it may raise further questions. The only people I remember who were exempt in my time were a few research chemists who really were dealing with dangerous stuff.

I know of cases where kids went to work instead with an aunt or uncle or neighbour because they were more interested in those areas that what their parents were doing, but that is about it.
what if you work as a prostitute?
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what if you work as a prostitute?
It's a great opportunity to start networking with local politicians https://www.20min.ch/story/foto-von-...t-124589529202
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Re: Why is Zukunftstag compulsory?

To answer OP, the reason it's mandatory is that it's a school day and they're not just supposed to have a day off and do nothing. I have found more and more that they also build it into the curriculum and your child may have to write about the experience afterward, talk with other classmates about what they liked/didn't like, etc. It's not just the day experience but spread over the week. So it's really not beneficial for your child to sit out. In the limited cases where it might not be allowed, I've known kids to tag along to their friends' parents, other relative, neighbour etc. You should really try to reach out and find something that works. As a last resort approach your child's teacher or school. I've known some cases where the school accommodated this and kids helped out younger classes as teachers aide for the day. It was really good experience.
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It's a great opportunity to start networking with local politicians https://www.20min.ch/story/foto-von-...t-124589529202
To be fair - the guy is a hobby politician (like all Swiss politicians...). His main job is being a lawyer. His speciality is representing brothels, prostitutes and all sorts of Langstrasse businesses. This means that even as an SVP politician he has a rather open mind... So when a magazine wanted to add a photo shoot to his interview on the corona measures, the opening of clubs and how bad it was for the gastro and sex trade... was that a rather obvious choice to get some attention. It worked a little too well, but all the discussion and drama about it is pretty fake in my eyes...
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I have found more and more that they also build it into the curriculum and your child may have to write about the experience afterward, talk with other classmates about what they liked/didn't like, etc. It's not just the day experience but spread over the week. So it's really not beneficial for your child to sit out. In the limited cases where it might not be allowed, I've known kids to tag along to their friends' parents, other relative, neighbour etc. You should really try to reach out and find something that works. As a last resort approach your child's teacher or school. I've known some cases where the school accommodated this and kids helped out younger classes as teachers aide for the day. It was really good experience.
School and accommodate in the same sentence?? [hollow laugh]
That's what I'm worried about, that they will make it into a project which he will also need to participate in. To the other poster who asked about my husbands workplace - the sign up closed about 2 months ago, my son would be unable (SN) and completely uninterested in participating and we assumed there would be an alternative program in school as suggested by the website linked above.
I also cannot ask or expect someone else to take charge of my son for the day especially at their place of work. The programs on the website are all booked out for our area and again, due to SN, I'm not sure he would be able to join in for one of the larger company ones. Relatives are either retired or work in confidential health settings.

We will find something to do, even if I have to take him through what I used to do in a previous job, but he won't be able to go into a company or anything. I suppose I'm also wondering if really every child in the 5&6th class in Switzerland participate in this.
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When did this start?

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