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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Thank you very much

Yes, I have recently written a cover letter, where described my duties and so... hope to be succesful, besides german people say my german is quite good now...
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Old 18.12.2010, 01:41
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Yes, in Ukraine such a life is not temporary, but normal... People live like that the whole life. You never know what can happen tomorrow People are really not protected by government, so they have no wish to pay taxes and so...and high level of corruption.. pity, but true...
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Actually, things are not that bad in Ukraine. In what part were you living? I liv(ing)(ed) in Kyiv and it is not that bad.
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Speaking about your initial question. In order to get work permit, company has to prove that they can't find noone in CH or EU of the same skill, and that's why they "are forced" to hire you.

This rule applies to Ukrainians and all non EU citizens which come from countries not quite friendly to CH.

Therefore, steps should be done in the following order:

- get unique skills which will let company wait for you for at least one year

- find a company willing to hire you

- apply to Ukrainian embassy for B permit and wait one year


That's it.
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Hello!

I lived in Kyiv also, worked there for 3 years, in Ukrainian companies, I was graduated from KPI (for sure, you know it..) Now I am in Germany and can say that here I feel much more comfortable in the "social" sence, at least I am sure "in tomorrow".

In Kyiv I worked as a Supervisor of DataBase department (I was not a DB programmer), and my salary was 3500 grn. after taxes, so practically nothing. Besides, no good possibilities for treatment and so... and I had to rent a flat, because I was not from Kyiv. Ah, yes, and vacation - just 2 weeks, but it was possible to take it just once per year...

Maybe, you are talking about some IT-jobs, yes, they are very well payed. I talked to my friend (he works in bank in Bern), so he suggested me to study Oracle quickly and to find a job in this field... But still this permission to work...
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

I can vouch that certain companies really like to see a PhD, even if it is in another field. This may be an American thing, but it doesn't sound to me like working in America, or working in Europe for an American company, would be so bad for you. Also, I have heard it rumored that it is generally easier for a company to justify bringing you into the country when you have a PhD.

DBA certifications certainly also can help you get a foot in the door.

As far as I know, pretty much every country allows in workers who have hard to find qualifications. But they must be able to find an employer willing to sponsor them.

Instead of focusing on a particular country, it sounds to me like you should focus on finding a job which pays well and otherwise pleases you. The less focused you are on a particular geographical location, the more companies you can approach. You only need to find one willing to do the paperwork required to hire you.
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Thank you. I think I will try to find a good job in a really good company. Yes, maybe it's even easier to find it in the USA ( At least, my German is worse than English...), and, of course, there are more possibilities in the USA...maybe even less paper work. But having PhD, it is anyway easier to find a job... you are right...
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I am waiting until UA will enter EU, so that I will come back there. It is getting more stable now, at least as it seems from here ...

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Thank you. I think I will try to find a good job in a really good company. Yes, maybe it's even easier to find it in the USA ( At least, my German is worse than English...), and, of course, there are more possibilities in the USA...maybe even less paper work. But having PhD, it is anyway easier to find a job... you are right...
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I am waiting until UA will enter EU, so that I will come back there. It is getting more stable now, at least as it seems from here ...
But when? It is really hard to believe in it... P.S. and where are you now?
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

I think you have more chances to study that to work. You have some chances as well to work. Don't give up!!! Cheers!
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From VD (Lausanne).
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I think you have more chances to study that to work. You have some chances as well to work. Don't give up!!! Cheers!
Thank you very much! I strongly hope so...
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Btw, I saw somewhere discussion about languages. I improved my German till Advanced, besides my native language is Russian... can it help somehow? (Trivial question...probably yes...)
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Hi Anastasiia,
...just my 2 cents:

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... In July 2010 I graduated with Ms degree in physics and was accepted as a PhD-student in Germany. Well.. I had really nice impression first: nice people around, beautiful western Europa, relatively better conditions of work and study, more or less good salary, that I even did not realize that PhD-thesis topic, and what is more, field of researches was really, let's say, just not for me. I have no satisfaction with this work. And every day I go to the Uni without any interest. Working in Ukraine, I was really happy, although was not good paid and so.
I think that the best solution for you would be to use your time in Germany wisely, finish your PhD and look around for the job opportunities.
Finding a job in Germany (if you already have a German PhD) is very easy, compared to the same process in Switzerland.

Even if you're getting your PhD in the "purely academical" field of theoretical physics, there are still lots of opportunities in many industries - IT, consulting, etc.
For example, Europe's largest software company SAP was used to hire so many experts in physics(because of their thorough and academical approach) that it was once spelled "Sammelpool Arbeitsloser Physiker" (just for fun, of course).

You will also have good opportunities for extending your knowledge while living and working in Germany - for example, you can attend the FernUniversität Hagen (distance learning on weekends with an official university diploma) to get a degree in economics or computer science.

Bottom line: it's all manageable with the reasonable amount of effort, unless you will sit on a sofa and just complain without actually doing nothing.
But as far as I can see from your original post, you're capable of working in changing conditions and learning new stuff. And that's all you need to succeed in any country.


I know how you're feeling now; i've done the same way from Kiev to Germany (lived there for 7 years) - and now to Switzerland. I was even younger than you when I've left Ukraine and my family to study and work in Europe - it wasn't always easy to be alone far away from the home land, but I'm happy now.

Use your time wisely, talk to people and try to make good friends. With some support from your friends, life is easier anywhere on the planet...
People change, their opinions and beliefs evolve and change with time. Stay a little while more in Germany and you'll feel OK. It's not a bad country to live and be happy.
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I think that the best solution for you would be to use your time in Germany wisely, finish your PhD and look around for the job opportunities.
Finding a job in Germany (if you already have a German PhD) is very easy, compared to the same process in Switzerland.
I think this applies to Switzerland as well. 99% of ukrainians I know in CH have found jobs after finishing PhD in swiss universities.
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Re: Work in CH for non-EU...

Thanks to everybody for help and useful discussion!

Finally, I decided to stay here in Germany, at least for the next 3 years to finish my PhD, to study german and maybe something additional. And then I will see what I can do.

Wish everybody a good week!
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