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Old 11.01.2011, 18:43
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Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

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So after one year and a few months, the lovely boyfriend finally got a firm job offer

My question for you guys is (no, I'm not just bragging): is it normal for Swiss contracts to be sooo simple and sooo short? Like, his states the amount of hours worked, salary etc. and something like "the terms of the Swiss Legislation will be applied". Since I know it's very important for the permit application to have a good contract i am unsure about it.

Also, about the permit, since the company is very new at this, we are quite confused with where the application must be made, since he lives in Neuchatel but works in Lausanne...

Also, can he work after he deposits his papers because the boss is very eager for him to start after he freelanced for a while from Romania...

Oh dear, sorry for all the questions...I did search the forum before asking all of them but found only vague answers, especially since I'm confused as to where Romania goes - EU or Non-EU
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Old 11.01.2011, 19:58
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Dear all,

So after one year and a few months, the lovely boyfriend finally got a firm job offer

My question for you guys is (no, I'm not just bragging): is it normal for Swiss contracts to be sooo simple and sooo short? Like, his states the amount of hours worked, salary etc. and something like "the terms of the Swiss Legislation will be applied". Since I know it's very important for the permit application to have a good contract i am unsure about it.

I once had a contract consisting of 1 single page, mentioning salary, hours and work rights, it can be so simple and it doesn't affect the permit in anyway.


Also, about the permit, since the company is very new at this, we are quite confused with where the application must be made, since he lives in Neuchatel but works in Lausanne...

Permit application to be submitted where he lives not where he works, just get the form, make the employer sign it and submitted with a copy of his contract

Also, can he work after he deposits his papers because the boss is very eager for him to start after he freelanced for a while from Romania...

If he have a permit already, then yes he can, unless there's any restrictions

Oh dear, sorry for all the questions...I did search the forum before asking all of them but found only vague answers, especially since I'm confused as to where Romania goes - EU or Non-EU

Romania is EU / Non Schengen area and probably being blocked from it in 2011: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14730572,00.html
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Old 11.01.2011, 20:05
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That is a good contract here as most stuff is covered by Swiss law. Long contracts generally reduce your legal rights here. So no problem.
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

Congrats to F with his contract !

Also happy to see you don't ask " xxxxxxx Chf ,is this enough? "
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

Thank you, Mowvich. However, I know Romania is non Schengen, the problem is with EU countries because some of them have certain privileges, some don't...I never know

I talked in Lausanne, they said they need to submit the form and everything there too, for the activity demand ( So confused!

He doesn't have a permit yet, he just arrived, but the employer needs him to start right away and I suppose he'll still have to do it through his Romanian self employed contract. Brrrr, it's just a shame because that is way more bureaucratic. Does anyone know how long it takes normally for a permit for third countries (not third world) to be issued? Oh dear...I thought getting a job was tough...now it's even more stressful because we're worried he might not get the permit if something goes wrong
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Congrats to F with his contract !

Also happy to see you don't ask " xxxxxxx Chf ,is this enough? "
I would've done a topic like that just for you if I could...

Anyway, I know he's not really offered "enough" but for us, it's a start and we're so happy...anyone who's been through the "hell" that it is finding a job in CH as a foreigner can tell you that. Those threads only come from the fortunate who are just offered jobs out of nowhere :P
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Old 11.01.2011, 20:14
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That is a good contract here as most stuff is covered by Swiss law. Long contracts generally reduce your legal rights here. So no problem.
Really? that's a relief! You should see contracts in Romania, with clauses about how many times you need to sneeze during a workday...
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Old 11.01.2011, 20:22
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

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Thank you, Mowvich. However, I know Romania is non Schengen, the problem is with EU countries because some of them have certain privileges, some don't...I never know

Just ask in Neuchatel (where he lives), they should point you out the right direction.

I talked in Lausanne, they said they need to submit the form and everything there too, for the activity demand ( So confused!

Wrong, Lausanne will only have his AVS payments paid there, Taxes, permit and everything else are done in Neuchatel where he lives

He doesn't have a permit yet, he just arrived, but the employer needs him to start right away and I suppose he'll still have to do it through his Romanian self employed contract. Brrrr, it's just a shame because that is way more bureaucratic. Does anyone know how long it takes normally for a permit for third countries (not third world) to be issued? Oh dear...I thought getting a job was tough...now it's even more stressful because we're worried he might not get the permit if something goes wrong

He's just being Switzerlanded, we've all been there before
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Old 11.01.2011, 20:31
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

Hehe, I know we're all Switzerlanded (I love this term) at some point or another. We just hope everything will go well from now on, it's been such a tough year...
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Old 11.01.2011, 20:35
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

I hear you, 1 year ain't so much of a struggle though, some people struggle here for several years.

The only problem, you said he is not being offered so much, if the salary is noticeably low in reference to the Swiss average, he might get refused the permit...i have no experience with that but this is what i heard.
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

It's not too low, it's average I think, he has been told before that this would be the starting point for his experience and area of expertise. I'm just saying that for Swiss standards, given that we are two on one salary and that he pays more or less 1000 CHF a month just to get and park and eat at work...(we have to figure out something about that, ugh!), it's not lavish. But I am not complaining, and NO, I will not start a thread with "is this enough" because it's been a year and I am now more or less acquainted with Swiss prices
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Commuting can be really a very expensive experience, so he better start calculating his options well to save as much as possible

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It's not too low, it's average I think, he has been told before that this would be the starting point for his experience and area of expertise. I'm just saying that for Swiss standards, given that we are two on one salary and that he pays more or less 1000 CHF a month just to get and park and eat at work...(we have to figure out something about that, ugh!), it's not lavish. But I am not complaining, and NO, I will not start a thread with "is this enough" because it's been a year and I am now more or less acquainted with Swiss prices
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That is a good contract here as most stuff is covered by Swiss law. Long contracts generally reduce your legal rights here. So no problem.
That's not quite true as legal rights are legal rights, the same for everybody irrespective of contracts.

What a long contract can do is reduce other terms that are not expressly covered under legal rights.
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

Hopefully we'll move to Lausanne altogether and hopefully I'll find something to work there as well. Oh, happy days

P.S. The salary is above Swiss average
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

OK, new question: he went in Lausanne and they said he only needs to go in Neuchatel with the papers. However, when I had previously called they said the "office de main d'oeuvre" in Lausanne has to say it's ok but I assume it's an automatic procedure and we only have to submit papers in Neuchatel? Confuuuused!
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UPDATE (I feel like I'm talking to myself on this thread. However, I'll put this little bit of info because there may be someone else looking for it ): Went to Neuchâtel Contrôle des habitants and handed in our papers, i.e. 2x work contract (yes, the tiny page was apparently enough!), 3x form 1350 (downloaded from the VD website), 2x passport photos, and a blue form that was still from the canton de VD that I assume you can get in NE as well. And that was it. We got a paper saying everything was submitted and the nice lady said the permit should arrive in 3-4 weeks. Also, he can work with the 'attestation' she gave us. Yay! Yay! Yaaaaay!

Heeeheee, one down, one to go with the job finding. But at least there'll be no more worries with paying the rent every month
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but for us, it's a start and we're so happy
i really like the attitude and i am really happy for you.
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UPDATE (I feel like I'm talking to myself on this thread. However, I'll put this little bit of info because there may be someone else looking for it ): Went to Neuchâtel Contrôle des habitants and handed in our papers, i.e. 2x work contract (yes, the tiny page was apparently enough!), 3x form 1350 (downloaded from the VD website), 2x passport photos, and a blue form that was still from the canton de VD that I assume you can get in NE as well. And that was it. We got a paper saying everything was submitted and the nice lady said the permit should arrive in 3-4 weeks. Also, he can work with the 'attestation' she gave us. Yay! Yay! Yaaaaay!

Heeeheee, one down, one to go with the job finding. But at least there'll be no more worries with paying the rent every month
Good for you (both). When there is a change for the better & the mood generally is more positive things have a habit of getting even better. I hope you get yours too & soon.
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Congrats on the great news, find the answers hereunder

Romania is EU / Non Schengen area and probably being blocked from it in 2011: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14730572,00.html

As far as Switzerland and work permits are concerned, Romania is non-EU with an independent quota.

Schengen doesn't have anything to do with work legislation.
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Re: Employment Contract - Too Simple?!

Thank you people sooo much for the support. And thank you, Shorrick for the clarification. I had this idea, but sometimes you run into people (who should know what they're doing, mind you) who ask you if Romania is EU, and you say YES, but with independent quota, blah blah and they lose track.

I am ssuming AVS number comes after the permit comes...right?
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