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Exactly, just wanted to know why are people so pushy about Google.
Because working is not only about the salary - unless you work at a bank. Google offers opportunities to work in areas and many products that are all raising the bar of what was thought to be possible. You are not working on just another banking IT system without really understanding why a bank pays millions for it or how it actually helps the business of the bank. You work on things that affect millions and millions of people. If you ever have a chance to visit their office, you will immediately recognize that the work environment is very different from a Swiss bank. And I personally would always be willing to sacrifice a large chunk of my income in order to work on a topic I like with like-minded people.

I once interviewed with Google, must be some 5 years ago by now. I made it through the first three or so telephone rounds and went to an assessment day.
It wasn't the right job for me (I have a less technical and more marketing oriented take on "product manager" than they do and do not program myself anymore for a long time, which was the killer), but I can still completely understand why the company owned its reputation.
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Because working is not only about the salary - unless you work at a bank. Google offers opportunities to work in areas and many products that are all raising the bar of what was thought to be possible. You are not working on just another banking IT system without really understanding why a bank pays millions for it or how it actually helps the business of the bank. You work on things that affect millions and millions of people. If you ever have a chance to visit their office, you will immediately recognize that the work environment is very different from a Swiss bank. And I personally would always be willing to sacrifice a large chunk of my income in order to work on a topic I like with like-minded people.

I once interviewed with Google, must be some 5 years ago by now. I made it through the first three or so telephone rounds and went to an assessment day.
It wasn't the right job for me (I have a less technical and more marketing oriented take on "product manager" than they do and do not program myself anymore for a long time, which was the killer), but I can still completely understand why the company owned its reputation.
It depends in which banking context you work on; offices in the banks I worked are very much confortable, tech is always on the hedge, and so on and so forth.
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Old 20.02.2011, 19:08
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It depends in which banking context you work on; offices in the banks I worked are very much confortable, tech is always on the hedge, and so on and so forth.
Trust me, the google offices are on an entirely different level. Miles ahead.

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Trust me, the google offices are on an entirely different level. Miles ahead.

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Yeah, I knew those funny pics. Actually, I wouldn't care much at those; to me it's some sort of underneath method they use to keep you working long hours, making their office your second home. That's my point of view, I like to work, like my job but it's far from being my subsidiarised home.
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Life at google is really ... sweet, appreciate that googl grants his employees with those nice T-shirts, sweet.
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Yeah, I knew those funny pics. Actually, I wouldn't care much at those; to me it's some sort of underneath method they use to keep you working long hours, making their office your second home. That's my point of view, I like to work, like my job but it's far from being my subsidiarised home.
in my first post I was actually not referring to the furniture... you brought that one up. I was talking about working with motivated people on some cool project. I haven't seen anything that falls into this category in finance IT.

Say what you want, but I simply do not believe you that any bank uses cutting edge technology or methods. They have to protect their assets and will always only use secure and tested approaches, in IT that means typically something that is some five years old. I have met literally a three digit number of people working in banking IT over the years and I would estimate the number of people who did NOT do this job mainly for the money to be very close to zero. You are motivated by the pay, not the tasks you do at work. Of course you can argue that in the end work is work and why not do the job that is a bit more boring but pays much better. Google is simply the other extreme - probably the most interesting IT challenges, but high expectation on your working hours and relatively low paid.
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in my first post I was actually not referring to the furniture... you brought that one up. I was talking about working with motivated people on some cool project. I haven't seen anything that falls into this category in finance IT.

Say what you want, but I simply do not believe you that any bank uses cutting edge technology or methods. They have to protect their assets and will always only use secure and tested approaches, in IT that means typically something that is some five years old. I have met literally a three digit number of people working in banking IT over the years and I would estimate the number of people who did NOT do this job mainly for the money to be very close to zero. You are motivated by the pay, not the tasks you do at work. Of course you can argue that in the end work is work and why not do the job that is a bit more boring but pays much better. Google is simply the other extreme - probably the most interesting IT challenges, but high expectation on your working hours and relatively low paid.
Well, I can surely argue you never worked in high demanding IT banking roles. Don't know if at Google face IT challanges as tough as in some banking sectors, like real time trading systems, or complex evens managements.
Five years old? no way, that's not the banking env I've been working on.
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Well, I can surely argue you never worked in high demanding IT banking roles. Don't know if at Google face IT challanges as tough as in some banking sectors, like real time trading systems, or complex evens managements.
Five years old? no way, that's not the banking env I've been working on.
Well I, amongst many others on this forum, have worked in banking Nik, for a lot of the past fifteen years in fact in my case, and I would still be fascinated to work at google. Within banking you work on interesting technology in the financial sector, but IT is still the tool for the banking environment, and that is its extent.

At google, or Microsoft or Apple, you are innovating IT itself and the way Google is renowned for allowing innovation to flourish within its employee base is something that you won't find in a banking environment.
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Old 20.02.2011, 22:30
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I wouldn't go quite that far. :-) 5-10 years ago, working at Google would have been quite the CV-enhancer. Now that they're such a huge and seemingly directionless company, I'm not so sure it'd be a smart move to go there.
Can you give me details why you think that? Has it lately become lame/insecure working at Google, I just haven't noticed?

On the bank note: I turned down a bank offer lately, but I would still switch to Google. I don't know about the pay but it is not even that important. Being a woman I will never make 5 star salaries anyway in Switzerland, that's ok. But why the negative tone about Google, any specific experiences?
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Re: Google Inc. plans to hire more than 6,200 workers this year

Good luck to anyone applying. I've applied too and haven't heard a thing yet. I've read an article over here in the US a few weeks ago that Google received over 70,000 applications within 1 week for the 6000+ positions. Not trying to be a Debby Downer but I think the only way to get in there is knowing someone or being a computer wiz kid.
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Good luck to anyone applying. I've applied too and haven't heard a thing yet. I've read an article over here in the US a few weeks ago that Google received over 70,000 applications within 1 week for the 6000+ positions. Not trying to be a Debby Downer but I think the only way to get in there is knowing someone or being a computer wiz kid.
70000 for 6000? That's actually not very much pro vacancy. It is completely normal that a high profile employer receives a three digit number of applications for a popular vacancy.
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70000 for 6000? That's actually not very much pro vacancy. It is completely normal that a high profile employer receives a three digit number of applications for a popular vacancy.
That was within one week, a few weeks ago. Might be 2,3,4,5 times that amount now.
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Can you give me details why you think that? Has it lately become lame/insecure working at Google, I just haven't noticed?
Absolutely not. Google is still a very "hot" company to work for. I just personally can't figure out where their future is - it seems like search/advertising is pretty locked down (Bing - hah!), and they sort of stumbled into the mobile phone business. But I don't see where they're trying to go, and it seems that they just keep trying ideas until something hits (Google Docs? Buzz? etc.).

That's not my cup of tea, that's all - I'd rather be working towards a common goal. And maybe that is more clearly defined internally, or I'm missing their strategy, or maybe the kinds of people that work there prefer the less structured. top-down driven approach; it's just not me.
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Well, I can surely argue you never worked in high demanding IT banking roles. Don't know if at Google face IT challanges as tough as in some banking sectors, like real time trading systems, or complex evens managements.on.
Well, part of the fascination of Google (from an outsiders point of view) certainly comes form the scale they work on.
Everything Google does is just an order of magnitude bigger than what the next biggest shop does.
And you get the 20% project thing (I assume it's still valid).
That's probably the reason why a lot of OpenSource software developers now work there - while they can't work 100% on their pet-project, they can at least work 20% on it - and still be paid 100% for the 80% rest of the job.

I don't work there - but that's how I understand it.
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Hi,

After being approached by one of their headhunters, I went through the Google selection process for a Release Manager position and got as far as on-site interviews in Zurich before being rejected.

I am sure my comments can be construed as sour grapes but....here goes.....

On the plus side, the guys who interviewed me did seem very switched on and into their work; and I am sure it makes an ideal first job for a university grad wanting to hone their professional skills.

I have worked in software engineering for just over 20 years and I have to say I found some parts of the selection process a little strange. For example, in one interview, I was asked questions about software configuration management best practice and was told not to mention or draw upon my experience when answering the questions. As this is an area I have a lot of experience in, and have learned what works and what doesn't work (sometimes the hard way) I found such requests to be somewhat odd.

Other interviews required one to write programming solutions (Perl, Shell script etc) on a white board while the interviewer typed my work into a Google doc whereafter my solution would be marked for syntactical correctness by the selection committee. The last time I wrote code on a piece of paper was at University - I normally write code on a computer and work with editors like Vim and Eclipse which highlight syntax (and there are such things as man pages and documentation) so I tend to reserve my limited braincells for fripperies such as good structure and design, instead of learning programming syntax by rote!

Also, I rarely start writing code from scratch these days; I have a home-directory filled with useful scraps and fragments which I pull out before writing anything new.

I imagine a new graduate who is used to writing stuff from scratch and has had to do exams in things like programming will excel at such tests.

The offices are nicely laid out but many of the well-publicised gimmicks would get on my nerves after a while. Many of the "perks" such as the pool tables and "work pods" appeared to go largely unused during my brief period there, and my impression of those I saw sitting at their desks tapping away at keyboards was of a high level of stress.

Also as a dad who values time with his kid, I did not get the feeling of a family friendly set-up; by which I mean my impression was leaving the office at a normal time would be frowned upon. My current employer is not perfect but at least I work reasonably regular hours. And yes, I know that in IT there are occasions when you need to stay behind to sort something out but these should be the exception and not the rule.

No doubt there are people who do get through the interviews - and hats off to them; and it was a privilege to be invited on site in spite of my gripes above. If you are going to apply to Google, it is as well to (ahem) Google for info about their interview process and to prepare yourself beforehand.

In the end, the interview process is as much for the candidate to decide if they like the place as it is for the employer to decide if they like the candidate; and I doubt if I would have fitted in somehow.

All said and done, if you are single and gaining experience is more important than financial gain then I am sure Google is a great place to work and you would emerge after a few years with some highly marketable skills.

Good luck.

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Re: Google Inc. plans to hire more than 6,200 workers this year

I used to think that about 20 years ago. Unfortunately, "coolness" is not a valid currency at most shops. Nor does it pay the mortgage.

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I used to think that about 20 years ago. Unfortunately, "coolness" is not a valid currency at most shops. Nor does it pay the mortgage.

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Correct. But I do not say I want to work for free. I only said that I am willing to sacrifice a good part of my salary to work with motivated people on interesting projects instead of futile attempst to motivate myself to get up in the morning to work with some people who moan and bitch all day about their "career" being the only ones not recognizing that they are stuck in the same place for years and do not have the potential to become the next CEO.

P.S: My experience at google was the same. The white board code writing really annoyed me. On the other hand did it reveal that they were looking for a different skillset than the one I have - weather this is right or wrong is another topic. So I was not sour but could easily agree that we were no match...
They were still in the old offices in Enge back then, so I cannot comment on the pod spaces - the old offices were more than crowded and giving their growth plans, I guess it was a smart idea to move to a really big place this time...
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Re: Google Inc. plans to hire more than 6,200 workers this year

"I normally write code on a computer and work with editors like Vim and Eclipse which highlight syntax"

This expectation with the perfect syntax on a paper is just plain weird. I mean, it's 2011, isn't it?
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Re: Google Inc. plans to hire more than 6,200 workers this year

I just get the feeling that theres a lot of git wizzards working at google, how many silly beards and media glasses can you cope with before going postal..

Surely the way to write code nowadays is to google it anyway - Writing code with a pen pfff.
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