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anyone with any comments ?
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1. Use the search function and you will find all info you could possibly want on income tax. In short: It depends heavily on the exact place you live within SWITZERLAND, not Swiss.

2. "The field of IT" is as wide as it gets. The UN as well as any MNC will have anything from high end specialists getting four digit numbers a day to low end cable movers getting the same in a month...
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1. Use the search function and you will find all info you could possibly want on income tax. In short: It depends heavily on the exact place you live within SWITZERLAND, not Swiss. - i thought UN is in Geneva ?

2. "The field of IT" is as wide as it gets. The UN as well as any MNC will have anything from high end specialists getting four digit numbers a day to low end cable movers getting the same in a month...
- hhmmm, i do aware that IT is a wide area, but at least there will be a flexibility in comparing any IT area between UN & other MNC, you get my point ? If I limit to specific IT functions or area, then the comparison will be getting more harder(maybe that kind of area is available in MNC but maybe not available in UN ) The main intention is just to make comparison, and see the benchmark...
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i was wondering, since you guys are comparing among multinationals in Switzerland, i was wondering if the salary for UN in the field of IT is competitive with the multinationals or it is slightly below average ? after looking at the incoem tax for switzerland, it seems that switzerland doesnt have a high bracket of income tax, isnt it ?

anyone with any comments ? or even better who work in UN ? hope to hear your insights...
UN pay less than multi-nationals, but people who work for the UN usually don't pay taxes. The salary for the job will most likely be listed in the job posting.
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UN pay less than multi-nationals, but people who work for the UN usually don't pay taxes. The salary for the job will most likely be listed in the job posting.
i see. right, so part where UN employee dont have to pay tax as part of their benefit, does this "dont have to pay for tax" helps in making the net pay(for UN staff) competitive with the net pay for the salary offered in MNC ?

as far as I know tax in switzerland is kinda low, you agree ? and UN doesnt offer permanent roles, do they ? while MNC does...
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Old 24.11.2011, 07:45
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i see. right, so part where UN employee dont have to pay tax as part of their benefit, does this "dont have to pay for tax" helps in making the net pay(for UN staff) competitive with the net pay for the salary offered in MNC ?

as far as I know tax in switzerland is kinda low, you agree ? and UN doesnt offer permanent roles, do they ? while MNC does...
No. Even without paying tax, most UN workers get paid less that equivalent MNC roles. It's a non-profit organization, right?

Yes. The UN offers permanent roles. They are in fact highly sought after and extremely competitive. Good luck.
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No. Even without paying tax, most UN workers get paid less that equivalent MNC roles. It's a non-profit organization, right?

Yes. The UN offers permanent roles. They are in fact highly sought after and extremely competitive. Good luck.
UN offers permanent roles ????

ok, I know Im a bit silly to ask this question but can you define the meaning of permanent here ?

My understanding of permanent is an open-ended position whereby there is no expire to the contract date. am i correct ?

it's strange that UN HR dont do benchmark against other corporate remuneration. I guess the fact that they are non-profit organization means they dont give out bonus...that's the only part which i think it's ok for UN to not give bonus because of their status.
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Old 24.11.2011, 08:30
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ok, I know Im a bit silly to ask this question
Indeed. But the other questions weren't smarter. I therefore conclude that you are not that experienced, are you?

a) If you want meaningful info, you'll need to ask a meaningful question. There is no such thing as a clear benchmark what "an IT person" should earn. I don't think anyone can really answer if the UN is "generally" paying better or worse than "the rest of the world". Because there is no clearly defined benchmark what "others" pay and the difference between different roles might be huge - maybe they pay the same for a technician but an experience project manager can make twice the money at a MNC? Who knows?

b) permanent means a work contract without a fixed time period. This is by far the most common form of employment in Switzerland as it is very easy to fire somebody any time. Especially compared to the other European countries where labor laws are much stronger and more in favour of the employee.

c) the UN does not seem to have an issue to get motivated and qualified personnel. So why should they pay the same as a bank? I worked for famous multinationals in Zurich that pay only 2/3 of what UBS or CS pay... because they can. Popular employers do not need to pay that much, simple as that. In short: there is no clear table in which you can look up how much you should get.

P.S: It is roughly the same as in Singapore. Singtel does not pay anywhere near the rates people with the same experience can get in banking IT - but people still love to work for them.
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Indeed. But the other questions weren't smarter. I therefore conclude that you are not that experienced, are you?

a) If you want meaningful info, you'll need to ask a meaningful question. There is no such thing as a clear benchmark what "an IT person" should earn. I don't think anyone can really answer if the UN is "generally" paying better or worse than "the rest of the world". Because there is no clearly defined benchmark what "others" pay and the difference between different roles might be huge - maybe they pay the same for a technician but an experience project manager can make twice the money at a MNC? Who knows?

b) permanent means a work contract without a fixed time period. This is by far the most common form of employment in Switzerland as it is very easy to fire somebody any time. Especially compared to the other European countries where labor laws are much stronger and more in favour of the employee.

c) the UN does not seem to have an issue to get motivated and qualified personnel. So why should they pay the same as a bank? I worked for famous multinationals in Zurich that pay only 2/3 of what UBS or CS pay... because they can. Popular employers do not need to pay that much, simple as that. In short: there is no clear table in which you can look up how much you should get.

P.S: It is roughly the same as in Singapore. Singtel does not pay anywhere near the rates people with the same experience can get in banking IT - but people still love to work for them.
dear Treverus,

my questions arent design to provoke you or anyone in the forum to be irritated or angry. Some people are clever at phrasing their words, some dont. As silly as it is, please do excuse me for my eagerness to ask questions at you guys because afterall, I dont know certain things, that is why I ask questions(be it silly or not).

1) whether it is meaningful or not, you have to understand different
people have different way of talking and communicating, correct ? Of
course asking here would only mean that Im seeking the best answer
that I can get from here, not the accurate answer. yea, who knows ?
that's why to have a more rough idea, I choose to ask in this forum.
Who knows there is someone who work in the HR area that can
enlighten me?

2) oh ? switzerland's employment law is not that strong i suppose.

3) by asking such questions, Im referring to retention of staff rather than
getting staff I agree that there is no clear rate that one would be
able to look at, but at least there should be a market rate i suppose ?
no ? again, which is why I ask in this forum...

people love to work for them ? hhmmm.....there's a lot of employers in Singapore other than Singtel, that I think people would love to join.
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Old 24.11.2011, 09:36
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dear Treverus,

my questions arent design to provoke you or anyone in the forum to be irritated or angry. Some people are clever at phrasing their words, some dont. As silly as it is, please do excuse me for my eagerness to ask questions at you guys because afterall, I dont know certain things, that is why I ask questions(be it silly or not).

1) whether it is meaningful or not, you have to understand different
people have different way of talking and communicating, correct ? Of
course asking here would only mean that Im seeking the best answer
that I can get from here, not the accurate answer. yea, who knows ?
that's why to have a more rough idea, I choose to ask in this forum.
Who knows there is someone who work in the HR area that can
enlighten me?

2) oh ? switzerland's employment law is not that strong i suppose.

3) by asking such questions, Im referring to retention of staff rather than
getting staff I agree that there is no clear rate that one would be
able to look at, but at least there should be a market rate i suppose ?
no ? again, which is why I ask in this forum...

people love to work for them ? hhmmm.....there's a lot of employers in Singapore other than Singtel, that I think people would love to join.
The answer to your question is: 42.
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The answer to your question is: 42.
i dont think all my sentences ending with question mark is "question" in my reply.
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Re: is your salary fair ? Consider this:

Ok, I'll give it a second try - slowly and friendly.

You either have an offer at the UN or believe you'll get one. Now you want to know if it is a good place to work at financially.

But if you don't tell us anything
- about your role except that it has something to do with IT
- about your education and work experience
- how much you are offered

how could you possibly get an answer? Yes, even if somebody works in HR can he not read your mind...

So if you have a concrete question, you'll get usually great help on this forum. Vague dribble usually gets hammered as it fills up otherwise helpful threads... this is not a cultural difference but happens even more so on the Singaporean expat forums.
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Ok, I'll give it a second try - slowly and friendly.

You either have an offer at the UN or believe you'll get one. Now you want to know if it is a good place to work at financially.

But if you don't tell us anything
- about your role except that it has something to do with IT
- about your education and work experience
- how much you are offered

how could you possibly get an answer? Yes, even if somebody works in HR can he not read your mind...

So if you have a concrete question, you'll get usually great help on this forum. Vague dribble usually gets hammered as it fills up otherwise helpful threads... this is not a cultural difference but happens even more so on the Singaporean expat forums.
are you a singaporean ?

unfortunately, neither do i have any offer from UN or going to get offer anytime nearby time soon. But I certainly would like to know about their working environment. You just answered my question saying that permanent employment exists in UN, which i thought it doesnt exist...everything is on contractual terms...

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what about the nurse? how much would a nurse earn? is this per month?
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Oh yes they can!!
HR is all knowing.........not!!

Why do people become HR bods? Hated by the rest of the organisation , usually rejects from other parts of the business. Also they seem to have remarkably thick skins as when questioned they never , repeat never answer questions. Usually some drivel about benchmarking.....which is secret of course.


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Ok, I'll give it a second try - slowly and friendly.

You either have an offer at the UN or believe you'll get one. Now you want to know if it is a good place to work at financially.

But if you don't tell us anything
- about your role except that it has something to do with IT
- about your education and work experience
- how much you are offered

how could you possibly get an answer? Yes, even if somebody works in HR can he not read your mind...

So if you have a concrete question, you'll get usually great help on this forum. Vague dribble usually gets hammered as it fills up otherwise helpful threads... this is not a cultural difference but happens even more so on the Singaporean expat forums.
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. I don't think anyone can really answer if the UN is "generally" paying better or worse than "the rest of the world". Because there is no clearly defined benchmark what "others" pay and the difference between different roles might be huge - maybe they pay the same for a technician but an experience project manager can make twice the money at a MNC? Who knows?
I disagree with you here. In general, we can say that the UN pays less than MNCs. However, as you say, we can not say for a specific role in any specific company which would pay more. When you start looking in depth, you may find a few companies pay less than the UN.

Also, as the UN employees don't pay tax, if you are in a high tax commune/canton, you might find that this is a huge benefit and may give you more take home pay than someone on the same roles/pay/etc in a MNC.

So, in general - UN pay less.
Specifically - impossible to say.

Anyway, Good luck.
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I disagree with you here. In general, we can say that the UN pays less than MNCs.
Based on what exactly?

According their website do they have different categories and pay between 69k and 170k in Geneva: http://www.un.org/depts/OHRM/salarie...ies/geneva.htm

When I started my career at a famous Scandinavian MNC in telecommunication in Zürich in 2004 did I earn significantly less than 69k. But our country manager on the other hand made way more than 170k...
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woo-hoo only 5 jobs seem to pay more than mine!!!
Interesting figures, but they hurt my eyes
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How do you live on 69k in Geneva? Do employees get a complementary tent and camping gear?
TBH I know loads of people living in GE on way less.
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Based on what exactly?

According their website do they have different categories and pay between 69k and 170k in Geneva: http://www.un.org/depts/OHRM/salarie...ies/geneva.htm

When I started my career at a famous Scandinavian MNC in telecommunication in Zürich in 2004 did I earn significantly less than 69k. But our country manager on the other hand made way more than 170k...
Well, I think you are probably right that they are extremes, pay too high on the low end & probably too low on the high end.

Ok, you are right: berlinda's question is impossible to answer!
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