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Well, I think you are probably right that they are extremes, pay too high on the low end & probably too low on the high end.

Ok, you are right: berlinda's question is impossible to answer!
I didnt ask him to answer accurately, I just ask for best answer...the way he replied, like a singaporean as usual, makes me feel lazy to reply to him. and while it is hard, it is not impossible. The fact that Im asking this is because I dont know the market rate for Switzerland(job agency does), and Geneva in specific. Besides, I ask 1 question, he/she answered in 3 sentences :S
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Old 25.11.2011, 03:17
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I didnt ask him to answer accurately, I just ask for best answer...the way he replied, like a singaporean as usual, makes me feel lazy to reply to him. and while it is hard, it is not impossible. The fact that Im asking this is because I dont know the market rate for Switzerland(job agency does), and Geneva in specific. Besides, I ask 1 question, he/she answered in 3 sentences :S
Eh, Don't worry about it. It is a difficult question without knowing specifics. Generalization won't help you. Looking at the links he provided, lower scale jobs look over paid & high scale jobs look under paid.

Anyway, the UN usually have everything out in the open and if you are applying for a the position directly with the UN, the job ad will list everything on it including grade & salary. If you are looking at a contractor position or working through an agency then that's a whole different story.

If you think Trev sounds like a Singaporean I'm sure he will feel happy that he is now well integrated!
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Eh, Don't worry about it. It is a difficult question without knowing specifics. Generalization won't help you. Looking at the links he provided, lower scale jobs look over paid & high scale jobs look under paid.

Anyway, the UN usually have everything out in the open and if you are applying for a the position directly with the UN, the job ad will list everything on it including grade & salary. If you are looking at a contractor position or working through an agency then that's a whole different story.

If you think Trev sounds like a Singaporean I'm sure he will feel happy that he is now well integrated!
eh, how come you also use "eh" one ? are you a singaporean as well ?

"Looking at the links he provided, lower scale jobs look over paid & high scale jobs look under paid. " - can you provide some examples ? I dont see your point leh.
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Old 25.11.2011, 12:35
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eh, how come you also use "eh" one ? are you a singaporean as well ?

"Looking at the links he provided, lower scale jobs look over paid & high scale jobs look under paid. " - can you provide some examples ? I dont see your point leh.
For the record:

a) I am not Singaporean. I only live here.

b) Not every grunt is necessarily Singlish mah!
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Old 25.11.2011, 16:20
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eh, how come you also use "eh" one ? are you a singaporean as well ?

"Looking at the links he provided, lower scale jobs look over paid & high scale jobs look under paid. " - can you provide some examples ? I dont see your point leh.
I like using "eh". Don't know why.

You're question is now getting into specifics and like Trev says that is where we can't give you exact comparisons. I just know from experience of people who worked at the UN and they were almost always paid less than in MNC for a similar role. Of course they had a lot of benefits.

At this point you will have to take the salary for the exact position you are looking at and use the salary calculators to see.

Do you have the salary and job qualifications? That might help us help you.
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What Kanton are they referring to? For sure not Zug
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I know the occasional - very old, very experienced, very specialized - teacher that makes 150k. In business, it's quite possible to earn quite a bit more. I did the same math as you, and don't find it an unrealistic goal...
I know, old thread, etc etc... but just found a link which corraborates this claim
http://www.ag.ch/gal/shared/dokumente/pdf/lohn2011_2.pdf
A 51 year old teacher in the Mittelschule (?) in Aargau could be earning in excess of 150k.
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yes, there are. They are well hidden, and it may be a reason why even in multinational, management wants ppl to consider their salaries the ultimate secret... if they start comparing, they'd know...
Found yet another official looking presentation

Lohnunterschiede zwischen Frauen und Männern in der Ostschweiz
http://www.sg.ch/home/staat___recht/recht/gleichstellung/lohngleichheit/_jcr_content/Par/downloadlist/DownloadListPar/download_1.ocFile/LohnlandschaftOstschweiz.pdf

So, if we extrapolate St. Gallen to the entire of Switzerland then we know that women earn less than men.

And the difference gets worse with the amount of "responsibility" and education. Preplexing, but that is what the numbers say.
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Where can I get salary lists in aswitzerland?
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I like using "eh". Don't know why.

You're question is now getting into specifics and like Trev says that is where we can't give you exact comparisons. I just know from experience of people who worked at the UN and they were almost always paid less than in MNC for a similar role. Of course they had a lot of benefits.

At this point you will have to take the salary for the exact position you are looking at and use the salary calculators to see.

Do you have the salary and job qualifications? That might help us help you.
i know it's specifics, but in UN itself, there's a lot of different category. im referring to only professional or higher. In order for you to say they pay lower for the more higher roles, and pay higher for the lower grade roles, you mut already have seen some data remuneration before you can even say out that sentence. Otherwise, how can you even know to say out that sentence ?
do you get my point ? It's not about the specifics, it's about knowing how you can reach to that conclusion and based on what you say out that conclusion.
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What Kanton are they referring to? For sure not Zug
UN is only available in Geneva, at least for the HQ. as far as I know.
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i know it's specifics, but in UN itself, there's a lot of different category. im referring to only professional or higher. In order for you to say they pay lower for the more higher roles, and pay higher for the lower grade roles, you mut already have seen some data remuneration before you can even say out that sentence. Otherwise, how can you even know to say out that sentence ?
do you get my point ? It's not about the specifics, it's about knowing how you can reach to that conclusion and based on what you say out that conclusion.
Ok, I think we are now going around in circles. LOL.

I think I said it above. I gave you my impression from knowing people who worked in the UN & in MNC and from information that you pick up by having lived in GE where you can't look around without seeing someone who works in the UN.

Also if you look at the pay rate scales the top pay is low for the same level in a MNC.
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Ok, I think we are now going around in circles. LOL.

I think I said it above. I gave you my impression from knowing people who worked in the UN & in MNC and from information that you pick up by having lived in GE where you can't look around without seeing someone who works in the UN.

Also if you look at the pay rate scales the top pay is low for the same level in a MNC.
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oh ? no wonder u behave like a singaporeans coz ur physically there, and there's not a single second you dont "express" how clever you are in interpreting other people's words and others arent. If it's not constructive, just drop it...it's useless anyway.
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oh ? no wonder u behave like a singaporeans coz ur physically there, and there's not a single second you dont "express" how clever you are in interpreting other people's words and others arent. If it's not constructive, just drop it...it's useless anyway.
So you have a problem with people that overestimate their importance but you want to work for the UN of all places. Are you sure you thought this through?
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So you have a problem with people that overestimate their importance but you want to work for the UN of all places. Are you sure you thought this through?
hahahahahah !

So you have a problem with people that overestimate their importance(are you saying you are important ? well, at least in this forum?) but you want to work for the UN of all places. Are you sure you thought this through?

are you saying UN employees are like that ? hhmmm, im not sure how you interpret things, but doesnt mean a person who asks about UN have UN as their only choice for employment or if asking the information on UN is only for myself or oneself for that matter.

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