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Personally I would not try and live in London on 38k per year. I found living on 70k a year is more like it for London.
however the average salary in london will tell you that thousands upon thousands do live on 38k and much less in london, and they manage as best they can.
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bills: 200
car insurance and tax: 150
council tax: 150
While I don't disagree with you rent figures I found that bills are significantly more expensive in the UK now than they were 5 to 10 years ago. I would double the care insurance and tax figures, remember car repayments unless you bought it cash and then factor in the cost of parking, fuel and sundries, so think 600 plus per month for owning a car.
Bills: Electricity, Gas and these sorts of things really stack up at the moment in the UK. I would be looking at 200 per household but 150 per adult occupant and 100 per child occupant for the first 2.
I am not sure you will find council tax much higher than 150 although it could be up to 250 if you are going to be paying 1600 per month for the place you rent.
Therefore I would be looking at more of a total of about 1250 for those sorts of things.
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and they manage as best they can.
Yes, expats always go and live in a country so that they can manage the best they can.
Seriously, to have a semi-decent lifestyle in London you need to earn at minimum over 65k unless you want to live like a student.
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Yes, expats always go and live in a country so that they can manage the best they can.
Seriously, to have a semi-decent lifestyle in London you need to earn at minimum over 65k unless you want to live like a student.
Absolute rubbish. I lived in London on much less than this and lived quite happily. as do millions of others. You sound like a banker complaining bitterly that during the recession they could only buy one ferrari, not two.
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While I don't disagree with you rent figures I found that bills are significantly more expensive in the UK now than they were 5 to 10 years ago. I would double the care insurance and tax figures, remember car repayments unless you bought it cash and then factor in the cost of parking, fuel and sundries, so think 600 plus per month for owning a car.
Bills: Electricity, Gas and these sorts of things really stack up at the moment in the UK. I would be looking at 200 per household but 150 per adult occupant and 100 per child occupant for the first 2.
I am not sure you will find council tax much higher than 150 although it could be up to 250 if you are going to be paying 1600 per month for the place you rent.
Therefore I would be looking at more of a total of about 1250 for those sorts of things.

300 per month for car insurance? What planet are you living on. Unless he's got an exotic car then 3600 per year for car insurance is an absolute joke.
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I think your figures are quite optimistic tbh
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Re: question about salaries in UK cf CH

I lived in Rochdale near Manchester as a single parent on just over 1,000 a month was a struggle but managed it though woudn,t recommend it as it was hard work. Still have my house in England my son lives in it and he,s managing it. Food is a lot cheaper over there and you don,t pay for health care well not directly as they tke national insurance out of your wage but worth it
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300 per month for car insurance? What planet are you living on. Unless he's got an exotic car then 3600 per year for car insurance is an absolute joke.
Depending on age, location you live and especially not having a UK drivers license, that is not unreasonable. The best quote that I got in London for my first car when I got there in 1999 (Peugeot 306 Cab) because of not having a UK license and not being able to transfer no-claims from outside the EU was 2500, so no, not a joke. Remember some things are drastically more expensive for expats while they settle in than they are for locals.
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Depending on age, location you live and especially not having a UK drivers license, that is not unreasonable. The best quote that I got in London for my first car when I got there in 1999 (Peugeot 306 Cab) because of not having a UK license and not being able to transfer no-claims from outside the EU was 2500, so no, not a joke. Remember some things are drastically more expensive for expats while they settle in than they are for locals.
Exactly. It depends on many factors. So simply waltzing into the thread and saying 'you have to double the car insurance figure man LOL' is stupid.

I've been a 17 year old new driver in the UK and I didn't pay more than £1300 per year.

The £150 quoted by MikeB is a good estimate (maybe on the high side?) of what he will pay for car insurance in the UK.
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Personally I would not try and live in London on 38k per year. I found living on 70k a year is more like it for London.
It all depends on what one means by comfort. On 38K, you won't be living in Zone 1 and eating at Le Gavroche every night, but I think most people here would say that's enough for an OK life in London.
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Re: question about salaries in UK cf CH

I love these threads

38k you'll live like a king, no you won't you'll live like a pauper etc etc

6 years ago when I left the uk I had a house with a tiny mortgage (£300 per month) a couple of normal cars (smart and various bangernomics cars so primeras, rovers etc) 1 child and lived in the S.E and commuted to west london, and I'll tell you even earning multiple times the national average, and with the wife working as well, we did not live like kings, in fact at times it was a struggle. What with fuel costs etc NI being upcapped and the tax bands being lowered I really wouldn't want to be in yorkshire on 38k maybe if I had a house there outright and work was walking distance, otherwise forget it.
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It all depends on what one means by comfort. On 38K, you won't be living in Zone 1 and eating at Le Gavroche every night, but I think most people here would say that's enough for an OK life in London.
Having lived in central London (zone 2, Canary Wharf) for 13 years I can tell you that you would need more like 120k a year to be living in a nice area in Zone 1 and eating at Le Gavroche even once a week.
However, you are quite right in saying that people live at different levels of comfort. I am just speaking from my own experience.
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It all depends on what one means by comfort. On 38K, you won't be living in Zone 1 and eating at Le Gavroche every night, but I think most people here would say that's enough for an OK life in London.

No, it isnt
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Re: question about salaries in UK cf CH

Back to the topic though. In Yorkshire, I would imagine that looking at the national statistics would be a good measure on which I based my initial assessments. I figured as follows. The lifestyle indexes place Switzerland at about 1.5 times better place to live financially than the UK. After exchange rate changes and such I would imagine that a 38k income in Yorkshire would equate to about a 50 to 60k income here in Switzerland for a similar lifestyle.
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Re: question about salaries in UK cf CH

You've got to laugh .. just switched on BBC Radio 2 and Jeremy Vine's phone in subject is "£43,000 and struggling .." And it seems there are as many diverging views on his programme as there are here.
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Having lived in central London (zone 2, Canary Wharf) for 13 years I can tell you that you would need more like 120k a year to be living in a nice area in Zone 1 and eating at Le Gavroche even once a week.
However, you are quite right in saying that people live at different levels of comfort. I am just speaking from my own experience.
Colin, this is patently untrue you must realise that surely ? Rent in Zone 1 unless you are renting in belgravia is in the 300-500 range for an apartment or the 500-800 range for larger properties. The travel costs are less, the rest of the bills are the same. 120k per annum is ten thousand pounds per months gross. After tax and all expenditure you are still going to easily earn more than you consume at that level. it is not fair to people looking for work in London to give such inflated figures of the costs of living there as it will deter people from moving to one of the most vibrant cities in the world.
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Colin, this is patently untrue you must realise that surely ? Rent in Zone 1 unless you are renting in belgravia is in the 300-500 range for an apartment or the 500-800 range for larger properties. The travel costs are less, the rest of the bills are the same. 120k per annum is ten thousand pounds per months gross. After tax and all expenditure you are still going to easily earn more than you consume at that level. it is not fair to people looking for work in London to give such inflated figures of the costs of living there as it will deter people from moving to one of the most vibrant cities in the world.

tha majority of people who work in london don't live in london, the commute. The rental prices your quoting are per week I take it
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Back to the topic though. In Yorkshire, I would imagine that looking at the national statistics would be a good measure on which I based my initial assessments. I figured as follows. The lifestyle indexes place Switzerland at about 1.5 times better place to live financially than the UK. After exchange rate changes and such I would imagine that a 38k income in Yorkshire would equate to about a 50 to 60k income here in Switzerland for a similar lifestyle.
I earn about 50k here in Switzerland. I would be FAR better off earning 38k in Yorkshire and I'd imagine anywhere else in the UK.

In fact if you take my take home salary, it's about the same as earning 38k after taxes in the UK.
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tha majority of people who work in london don't live in london, the commute. The rental prices your quoting are per week I take it
yes, per week. the majority of people that work in London do live in greater london I would say ? yes there is a lot of commuting in but this ends up with that "what is the border" argument. above I am responding more to Colins assumption of needing 120k to live in Zone 1 comfortably.
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it is not fair to people looking for work in London to give such inflated figures of the costs of living there as it will deter people from moving to one of the most vibrant cities in the world.
Hi Mike, I am not trying to deter people at all. I loved my time in London and fully agree with you that it is one of the vibrant cities in the world. It is also one of the most expensive cities in the world. My intial comment was that 70k would be a comfortable income to have in London, earning more than it is going to cost you to have a good life and being able to save for a rainy day.
Eating at very expensive restaurants and living in Zone 1, say on the river in the city or Butler's wharf are going to cost you a lot of money, 2k to 3k all in for a two or three bed appartment. Yes your transport costs are lower but if you want to have a car as well, you will loose all of those benefits paying for parking and congestion charges, etc. Eating out at restaurants like Le Gaveroche is easily going to set you back 100 to 150 a head with drinks, so rack up another couple of grand a month easily if you want to do that every night.
70k will not get you a good lifestyle in the centre of London. Most of the people that do live in Butler's wharf on the river and do go out to those sorts of places earn significantly more than 100k per year.
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