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8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

I would like to know what I am doing wrong or if there is any good and honest advice out there at the moment for me...?

I relocated to Zurich permanently in July 2010 - moved in with my girlfriend and have been looking for a job since then. I am registered with the authorities and have a L-permit/British-SA passport. My gfriend is American, she's been living here for 12 years. I had pre-move talks but that fell through when I got here, reason given - ' we can only employ German speakers'. This coming from a 'financial exchange' company, which has to compete on the international stage. I had 7 interviews with a major swiss bank and then I received a call informing me their headcount had been frozen until Feb 2011 - no guarantee.

I have over 14 years UK/International banking experience, Exec MBA and numerous FSA banking qualifications. I did a 4 week intense German class in September and getting further private lessons over the next couple of weeks. I pick it up rather quickly, because it is similar to Afrikaans 'Dutch' (South-African) and we did it for 2 years at school...keen to pursue this further with the backing/support of a new employer. I feel many agencies/headhunters don't or can't help me because my German language skills are limited and it is a handicap. I am registered with many local headhunters, UK agencies, CH job websites, LinkedIn, banking and corporate career sites and trawl the websites daily. Also, working the local and ex-London network and contacts, but without any success thus far. I also don't want to overdo the banking websites, by logging online because you don't get proper feedback and the headhunters don't always like when you have these online profiles. What else can you do, because not all banks want to pay headhunter fees right now..?

What are my options, do I startup a business and get out of the financial services industry for good?

Can I apply for jobs that clearly state English & German requirement? I am not being picky and prepared to look at all types of roles, package etc but not even getting to that stage.

Which agencies or companies really specialise in English-only CH jobs?Currently being the key word here.

I am desperate for anything and would look for a temporary type English speaking only job in Zurich, if I knew where... just to do something and get started, settled over here, make it work, pay the mandatory medical aid etc.

Any views on the PMI - 'CAPM' Project Management qualification, is it worth having or is the Swiss IPMA one better?

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Old 02.02.2011, 18:55
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name the agencies you've been in touch with.

plus there's a huge sticky covering English-speaking companies in this forum IIRC....
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Old 02.02.2011, 20:04
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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

I put a similar message under the thread (page18) you mention and got one reply, so though I would give it another go. The market has changed, companies have changed and I am seeking fresh guidance relevant now.

Got one useful PM already re possible job and company that I didn't have on my radar.

I don't want to mention agencies on a public forum like this, because they may take it I am negative towards them. If you really need to know I can send you a private message, but trust me over 30+ and not all of them want to help either. Irrelevant really in terms of my enquiry, plead, seeking advice etc. If you have one, good contact etc that can help my cause - then send me their details via PM - thank you.
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try to give something,
as the more you give the more you will get back!
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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

Just a quick message for what it's worth.

I don't think people understand how recruiters work...I am NOT one by the way.

They are working for their clients...... not candidates.

In other words, if your CV does not match what is on their books.... forget it. They are not interested in "placing" you.... they are sifting through CVs to send candidates out for interviews so that they can earn a commission.

Once again... they work for their clients.. not for candidates.

Higher-end "headhunters" are not interested in unsolicited CVs either... they go out and "find" people.

Best of luck.
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Have sent you two PMs.
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Just a quick message for what it's worth.

I don't think people understand how recruiters work...I am NOT one by the way.

They are working for their clients...... not candidates.

In other words, if your CV does not match what is on their books.... forget it. They are not interested in "placing" you.... they are sifting through CVs to send candidates out for interviews so that they can earn a commission.

Once again... they work for their clients.. not for candidates.

Higher-end "headhunters" are not interested in unsolicited CVs either... they go out and "find" people.

Best of luck.
Thanks - and yes I agree. That is why a personal contact or network or lead into a bank or recruitment agency in Zurich is still a good option to take IF THEY EXIST. I think the 100% mandates are few and many agencies are actually 'bothering' their clients more than anything at the moment BUT it will change. Many jobs are continually published online to keep their HR employed and it is cheaper to appoint from internally than externally.
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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

I don't have any advice for you but hopefully you will find a job soon.
8 months searching for a job must be quite stressful.
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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

Gday,

My opinion, do not bother going for english / german if they mark it as mandatory, you are just wasting your time and theirs. Sure, you might get lucky, but the odds are very much against, kind of like lotto.

Do not start up a business without understanding the local environment. To understand the local environment it is best to work in that environment for a period of time. Too much risk for my liking.

PM qualifications are only of benefit if you are targeting PM roles. By the sound of your background benefit may be limited.

The situation you are in is not uncommon. It can take a lot of patience in Switzerland. Review your resume and make sure it is hitting the right spots, and is in a preferred Swiss oriented format.

I will send you a private message with other info. good luck.
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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

You could try looking on a UK based web site like "joberve" and put Zurich as a location. Thats how I found my job. If the job get to this kind of site it means they have already looked here and are going to accept a non swiss. Good luck.
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Choose the bigger banks and insurance companies (they need your English) and search their job sites and apply directly for a relevant job.

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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

I hate to break it to you, but a few German classes plus two years of a similar language does not a German speaker make. Your opportunities would open up immensely if you would continue you language classes while you have the time. Who knows who you could meet (contacts/leads), especially if you find a business-oriented class. Unless you're fluent, you're one of many. Set yourself apart in the way they require.

That said, I really do hope you find something soon!
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You could try looking on a UK based web site like "joberve" and put Zurich as a location. Thats how I found my job. If the job get to this kind of site it means they have already looked here and are going to accept a non swiss. Good luck.

I monitor quite a few UK sites and am registered with quite a few agencies/hh that handle the global banks but will give jobserve.co.uk a go - THANKS.
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Choose the bigger banks and insurance companies (they need your English) and search their job sites and apply directly for a relevant job.

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I have and will continue...just worried I overdo the 'carpet-bombing' via online applications - THANKS.
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I hate to break it to you, but a few German classes plus two years of a similar language does not a German speaker make. Your opportunities would open up immensely if you would continue you language classes while you have the time. Who knows who you could meet (contacts/leads), especially if you find a business-oriented class. Unless you're fluent, you're one of many. Set yourself apart in the way they require.

That said, I really do hope you find something soon!
Yes, we have private German lessons starting soon again, which will help to establish the exact level. I did intensive 4 week class at a school, but I was about the only one in a class of 10 that spoke English (and the only one who was paying out of his own pocket). The class progressed too slow. Thanks for the advice - will search for a 'business-orientated' type of class/school. THANKS
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Re: 8th Month on the Zurich job hunt - HELP/ADVICE/ANYTHING?

You really need 9 months continuous intensive to get a good grip of the language. The last 8 months searching would have been best used job application and german lessons. It is expensive but it is really the only way to reduce the dependencie search on english only speaking jobs. By the way I still think it is feasible to find work without too much German, especially with your credentials, however learning German increases your width of opportunity.
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