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Old 01.03.2011, 17:53
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When can I register with the RAV? i.e. today or only on my first day of unemployment?
I don't think there is any legal obligation for you to go and register immediately. I was made redundant last summer and was advised to register within the first month after my notice period officially ended. Having said that, you might as well do it as soon as possible as there is a fair bit of form-filling to do, including some forms that have to be filled in by your ex-employer.

However, what you are obliged to do is start looking for a new job - and be able to prove that you are doing so - as soon as you learn that you will be leaving your current job. You will be asked to show proof that you have applied for a certain number of jobs per month - in Neuchâtel it's typically 8 to 12 jobs a month, it may be different in Bern depending on the health of the local job market.

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Old 01.03.2011, 17:56
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I don't think there is any legal obligation for you to go and register immediately. I was made redundant last summer and was advised to register within the first month after my notice period officially ended. Having said that, you might as well do it as soon as possible as there is a fair bit of form-filling to do, including some forms that have to be filled in by your ex-employer.

However, what you are obliged to do immediately is start looking for a new job - and be able to prove that you are doing so - as soon as you learn that you will be leaving your current job. You will be asked to show proof that you have applied for a certain number of jobs per month - in Neuchâtel it's typically 8 to 12 jobs a month, it may be different in Bern depending on the health of the local job market.
Ok, very simple: You will only get your money after you registered with the RAV. They will first establish if you are eligible to get it at all, then if you should get any months punishment for quitting "mutually" and so on - this takes time, easily up to a month. You do not need to register months before the end of a notice period, but if anyone wants to see money when unemployed and not only wait for it - better be a bit earlier.

Otherwise is the documentation of the efforts correct and important.
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Re: RAV question

Hi All,

Thanks for all the replies....

I been here for 3 years and have been employed constantly over the 3 years in 4 different positions. So I think am kinda safe there...

The only thing is the end of employment issue here. As my contract ends, therefore NOT getting the Sack, does that qualify me for the RAV or do I need a so called Redundancy letter to state that they are letting people go due to Financial issues?

Could someone explain how beneficial either would be and how it would affect my application?
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Old 02.03.2011, 09:21
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I don't know. Best to ask the RAV, they are usually very sympathetic.
There is a big office near Bern Bümpliz station, (Not necessarily your future office! )

RAV Bern West
Lagerhausweg 10
3018 Bern
Phone: 031 998 13 13

E-mail: rav.bernwest@vol.be.ch

Have you looked on here:
http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/arbe...rste_schritte/ German

http://www.espace-emploi.ch/arbeitslos/erste_schritte/ French
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Re: RAV question

Just one thing to add... The RAV is the second step in the process once you know you're not renewing the contract. The first step is always through your local Gemeinde / town hall. They'll fill in the first round of forms and then set up the appointment with the RAV proper and your specific Berater/ contact person. At the meeting with your Gemeinde, they'll want all of the important copies of contracts, permits, CV, diplomas, language courses, certifications, etc. Everything that goes in your dossier. They'll take information on what type of work you're looking for and how far from home you're willing to travel. They'll then give you paperwork to fill out including some that must be completed by the previous employers from the last 24 months. They'll also give you a couple of blank forms on brown paper. You'll become very familiar with these... They're what you must fill in every time you apply for a position. You'll have to bring at least one with you to your RAV appointment, which you'll be notified of by mail.

Hopefully you'll not have to fill out too many of the job search forms. Good luck with the job hunt.
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Old 02.03.2011, 10:36
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Just one thing to add... The RAV is the second step in the process once you know you're not renewing the contract. The first step is always through your local Gemeinde / town hall. They'll fill in the first round of forms and then set up the appointment with the RAV proper and your specific Berater/ contact person. At the meeting with your Gemeinde, they'll want all of the important copies of contracts, permits, CV, diplomas, language courses, certifications, etc. Everything that goes in your dossier. They'll take information on what type of work you're looking for and how far from home you're willing to travel. They'll then give you paperwork to fill out including some that must be completed by the previous employers from the last 24 months. They'll also give you a couple of blank forms on brown paper. You'll become very familiar with these... They're what you must fill in every time you apply for a position. You'll have to bring at least one with you to your RAV appointment, which you'll be notified of by mail.

Hopefully you'll not have to fill out too many of the job search forms. Good luck with the job hunt.
Sorry, but this is not true for any city in Switzerland, well, at least not Zurich - this "Gemeinde" part is done here at the RAV as well - so you simply look up which RAV is responsible for you and register there at the front desk. The front desk will then do the part you described and set up a meeting with a councellor in a week or two later.
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Old 02.03.2011, 11:55
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Re: RAV question

Yes, same in Neuchâtel - you go directly to the ORP (Romandie equivalent of RAV), not to the commune/Gemeinde.

On the question of eligibility: even if you are deemed to have resigned, you should be eligible for unemployment benefit. However, you will probably be penalised, i.e. there will be a gap of a few months before the benefit payments start.
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Re: RAV question

So, was just recently fired as well))) It was no news to me but now is official..My company re-organized last year and I was offered a role for which unfortunately I was simply not a fit.
Tried to call 2 RAV offices in Zurich today and both ladies on the phone insisted that I speak German. Since I don't speak German that well, I was a bit taken aback by this..While it makes sense that I should learn and converse in the local language, I am afraid this might be a challenge for me in getting along with the RAV official and stating my case..
Any recommandations? Thank you much!!!
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Sorry, but this is not true for any city in Switzerland, well, at least not Zurich - this "Gemeinde" part is done here at the RAV as well - so you simply look up which RAV is responsible for you and register there at the front desk. The front desk will then do the part you described and set up a meeting with a councellor in a week or two later.
Just relaying my personal experience in both Kanton Bern (last year) and Solothurn (last month). Both times I tried to register directly with the RAV for my German classes, and I was redirected to go through the Gemeinde first and they'd then set up the first appointment with the RAV.

Though, upon further contemplation, I've lived and live currently in very small villages without a local RAV. The RAV offices have been in larger neighboring towns in both instances. Perhaps this has some bearing?
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So, was just recently fired as well))) It was no news to me but now is official..My company re-organized last year and I was offered a role for which unfortunately I was simply not a fit.
Tried to call 2 RAV offices in Zurich today and both ladies on the phone insisted that I speak German. Since I don't speak German that well, I was a bit taken aback by this..While it makes sense that I should learn and converse in the local language, I am afraid this might be a challenge for me in getting along with the RAV official and stating my case..
Any recommandations? Thank you much!!!
I am sorry you've lost your job. I wish you luck finding the next one.

They suggest you bring a translator, partner, or friend to come along to the meetings to help with the language barrier. The majority of communication is by post or email and the occasional meetings with your Berater / Advisor.

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Re: RAV question

It is not RAV who will decide if you get a penalty or not. It's the unemployment insurance fund that you choose.
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Old 03.03.2011, 22:39
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Re: RAV question

What is RAV?

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Old 03.03.2011, 22:58
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Re: RAV question

Just some clarifications: Being fired is not the same as being laid off, being made redundant, or end of contract. The latter 3 qualify you for RAV immediately. Have no idea what happens if you're fired (equivalent to being terminated for reason). If you resign, then you have a 3 month waiting period before receiving payments, but you must still be looking in that time. Regardless of the reason for termination, you must start logging your search from that time.

Not sure why you signed such a letter of 'mutual agreement', as obviously it will be interpreted as resigning.

As for registering, it makes life easier to do it as soon as you receive the letter of termination.
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Old 03.03.2011, 23:05
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Just some clarifications: Being fired is not the same as being laid off, being made redundant, or end of contract. The latter 3 qualify you for RAV immediately. Have no idea what happens if you're fired (equivalent to being terminated for reason). If you resign, then you have a 3 month waiting period before receiving payments, but you must still be looking in that time. Regardless of the reason for termination, you must start logging your search from that time.

Not sure why you signed such a letter of 'mutual agreement', as obviously it will be interpreted as resigning.

As for registering, it makes life easier to do it as soon as you receive the letter of termination.
Right, so WHAT is RAV?

Sorry, but those of us in NON german parts are NOT familiar with german terms!

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Old 03.03.2011, 23:18
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See here for an explanation of the term. The website has links in German, French, Italian and English.
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Re: RAV question

You are a Contractor, self employed or employed by an agent. Losing a contract does not mean you are unemployed. Unemployed means being fired or resigning and having no job to go to. You have not been fired and are still employed via your own company or your agent/umbrella company.

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Hi All,

I have been given 1 months notice (which is fine as am a contractor), so end of March is when ill be unemployed. Currently am looking for other positions but keeping the Rav option as a backup.

I have read a lot of the questions and answers on the forum, but could not find the answers to some of my questions. Wondering you all could help?

When can I register with the RAV? i.e. today or only on my first day of unemployment?

Do I go into my local RAV office (Bern) first or do I fill out some forms or something before I go to the office? If so, where can I get the forms from?

http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/ - is this the correct website to look on?

Am collecting all the information/items I need already, i.e. proof that I have been working for over 1 year in Switzerland, keeping my applications I am currently making, my AHV, my Permit,

What else do I need? Am i missing anything?

Am assuming that ill qualify for the RAV......????
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RAV = more or less the 'Regional Employment Agency'
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You are a Contractor, self employed or employed by an agent. Losing a contract does not mean you are unemployed. Unemployed means being fired or resigning and having no job to go to. You have not been fired and are still employed via your own company or your agent/umbrella company.

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One can have a contract and not be self employed or employed by an agent. In this case when the contract ends, and the contracted person does not have other work, then they are unemployed.
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One can have a contract and not be self employed or employed by an agent. In this case when the contract ends, and the contracted person does not have other work, then they are unemployed.

But is that the case here do you think ?
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But is that the case here do you think ?
Hard to say without more information from the person asking the question.

The term 'contractor' can often be used loosely.

Even if the person was a contractor to a HR type agency, if they have no current contracts they could still be unemployed, even if they are still on the books, but I am not 100 % sure on that. It really depends on the type of contract, type of relationship with the direct management company etc.

In the case of running their own contracting company (i.e. one man show), then yes this would be the case that they would not be unemployed. There are probably restrictions to be officially unemployed to receive benefits under these circumstances.
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