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Hi I had a look at other threads but could not find the answer.

I have worked in Switzerland as a permanent employee for 12 months via the Swiss arm (AG) of a uk consultancy. Just after 12 months, my old employer decided to let me go - and we came to a mutual agreement to end my contract. As I was not fired or resigned but have been making the relevant contributions for over 12 months will I still be entitled to the unemployment benefit via RAV?
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Hi I had a look at other threads but could not find the answer.

I have worked in Switzerland as a permanent employee for 12 months via the Swiss arm (AG) of a uk consultancy. Just after 12 months, my old employer decided to let me go - and we came to a mutual agreement to end my contract. As I was not fired or resigned but have been making the relevant contributions for over 12 months will I still be entitled to the unemployment benefit via RAV?
You agreed to become un-employed ?
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You agreed to become un-employed ?
No. His employer decided to let him go but he was not fired.
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Re: RAV question

Either you resigned or he made you redundant. This "mutually agreed" thing ... did you sign something? What did it say?
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Re: RAV question

Yes signed a document to say the contract was being terminated under mutual agreement.
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You resigned ;) That's how RAV will see it.
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Re: RAV question

So no benefit???
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Re: RAV question

It doesn't mean you get "no benefit". If you are eligible, it means you MAY get penalized from 1-3 months. BUT if you explain your story well, ie. you were going to get fired but you didn't want that on your work record so you came to a mutual agreement (or some such thing) and you have an understanding RAV person, you may get away with not being fined.

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Re: RAV question

Perhaps you could ask for a letter that states that your job will not continue due to internal reorganisation.
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Re: RAV question

Hi All,

I have been given 1 months notice (which is fine as am a contractor), so end of March is when ill be unemployed. Currently am looking for other positions but keeping the Rav option as a backup.

I have read a lot of the questions and answers on the forum, but could not find the answers to some of my questions. Wondering you all could help?

When can I register with the RAV? i.e. today or only on my first day of unemployment?

Do I go into my local RAV office (Bern) first or do I fill out some forms or something before I go to the office? If so, where can I get the forms from?

http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/ - is this the correct website to look on?

Am collecting all the information/items I need already, i.e. proof that I have been working for over 1 year in Switzerland, keeping my applications I am currently making, my AHV, my Permit,

What else do I need? Am i missing anything?

Am assuming that ill qualify for the RAV......????
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Old 01.03.2011, 14:17
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Re: RAV question

@Kalpz

As you know the date from when you will be unemployed, you should register with your local RAV Office soonest.

Personally, I would go to the local office in person and get all the forms needed. Might be an idea to call them first to check what you may need to take with you for an initial registration.

Once registered, they will set up an appointment for you with a RAV Counsellor.
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Re: RAV question

Just go to the local RAV office and they will put you 'in the system' and give you a date for a proper appointment. Make sure you start logging all your job applications - it might reduce any punishment days.
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Re: RAV question

Ask them to "properly fire you" in order to have no issues with the RAV. And stating the obvious: Signing a document without knowing its implication on your benefits was not that smart. I do not see any downside for the employer, so if you are on good terms, this should be no issue... IMPORTANT: Do this before talking to the RAV and never ever say there that you agreed to it...
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Re: RAV question

@Treverus

Thanks for the reply...

I read on this forum that being 'Sacked' can cause problems to register with the RAV?

My contract expires at the end of the month so would that not be a 'good enough' excuse for the RAV to pay me?

I canít understand how that would benefit me when going to the RAV?

Am not doing anything illegal here right?
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Re: RAV question

@Kalpz

These three links with information on unemployment insurance in Switzerland may also be of help to you.

1) http://www.justlanded.com/english/Sw...ment-insurance

2) http://geneva.angloinfo.com/countrie...d/unemploy.asp

3) http://www.ch.ch/private/00054/00056...x.html?lang=en

This older thread from 2009 might also be helpful.

Good luck.

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Thanks for the reply...

I read on this forum that being 'Sacked' can cause problems to register with the RAV?

My contract expires at the end of the month so would that not be a 'good enough' excuse for the RAV to pay me?

I canít understand how that would benefit me when going to the RAV?

Am not doing anything illegal here right?
I unfortunately have first hand experience...

The RAV will not help you a lot, some of the folks there see their job more in the line of "find reasons not to pay money". So:
- If you got fired for anything else than your performance or personal wrong doings - no problem.
- Quit by yourself - will be an issue, you typically lose some months of payment.
- Contract running out: You would need to show that you tried to find new employment since the day you know it runs out. In writing. If you do so, should be ok.

So the safest and easiest would be a cancellation letter from your boss on "downsizing for economical reasons"...
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Re: RAV question

You are all forgetting a big reason not to pay any money: he has been here only 1 year, and I am not sure if the first year may be spent abroad.

Between getting the dismissal and stopping work you must look for work! So be sure to apply for about 6 jobs and keep the proof you applied!
Unemployment Allowances

In general in order to receive unemployment benefits a person must:
  • be a Swiss national or
  • hold a valid residence permit and
  • be resident in Switzerland, unemployed, able to work and have contributed to the unemployment scheme for at least 12 months within the last 24 months

    It is essential to remain at the disposal of the employment office and be able to prove that work is being actively sought.
You must ensure that they dismiss you! They should state in their letter to you the reasons for the dismissal. The RAV will make written enquiries to your company, about how you were paid over the previous 12 months, bonus, comissions etc. If they believe you have contributed to your dismissal then you might have the start of payments delayed by up to 6 weeks.
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These three links with information on unemployment insurance in Switzerland may also be of help to you.

1) http://www.justlanded.com/english/Sw...ment-insurance

2) http://geneva.angloinfo.com/countrie...d/unemploy.asp

3) http://www.ch.ch/private/00054/00056...x.html?lang=en

This older thread from 2009 might also be helpful.

Good luck.
In this Thread (top of the Insurance forum) there is quite a bit of official stuff. Whether it has enough detail to cover your case or not, I don't know.
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Re: RAV question

As long as you worked 12 months you are OK. The 12 out of 24 just means that if you worked for 12 months 3 years ago then it wouldn't count.

If you resign and you are up front about it you will be OK, probably just a few punishment days. I speak from experience, but it does to a limit depend on your RAV councillor.
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