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why? what's so bad about yverdon? It's only 45 minutes from Geneva
45mins? I think not. It's at least an hour. And if you drive it's a nightmare getting in & out of Geneva. If you take the train you will add time at each city the further from the station you live/work.

ETA: I should add again, it's up to you, your choice. I'd rather live in a smaller place and have less of a hassle commuting. But I understand not everyone is like me. We used to live in Geneva and my DH commuted to Lausanne. It was a b*tch.
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It's only 45 minutes from Geneva
it's 2 x 45 minutes that are lost every day ...
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Old 28.03.2011, 09:44
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why does an IT programmer actually need to go into work everyday? I mean its all online work right? apart from meetings etc (im assuming a lot here) so why not live somewhere cheaper that gives more space and work from home? (and leave the rare accomodation that does exist to someone looking for a job where they have to attend everyday )
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it's 2 x 45 minutes that are lost every day ...
Anyway, Yverdon/Geneva is more likely to be 1h30 each way than 45 min. Geneva-Lausanne is usually about one hour - only 60k, but you need to get out of the city and in the other; Yverdon is another 20-30' away.
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Old 28.03.2011, 10:44
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Anyway, Yverdon/Geneva is more likely to be 1h30 each way than 45 min. Geneva-Lausanne is usually about one hour - only 60k, but you need to get out of the city and in the other; Yverdon is another 20-30' away.
Google Maps reckons 1h5mins and that isn't taking account of the usual rush hour traffic getting into and out of Geneva.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&so...e=UTF8&t=h&z=8
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Re: Geneva Salary

Yverdon-Geneva is 50min by train so it is doable. I knew someone who commuted from Neuchâtel (a bit extreme, in my opinion).

The OP has already been given several suggestions: a smaller flat closer to Geneva, a flat along the train line, and if things get desperate a flat in smaller villages away from the train. And one more option is living in France, but that brings a whole new set of issues. Everyone finds their own solution otherwise we wouldn't be here.

Well, the final solution is to find a job elsewhere.
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Old 28.03.2011, 12:01
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I was doing SteCroix-Ge via YVD at one point for a couple of months, and it was a nightmare. It was more than an hour from YVD, for sure.
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why does an IT programmer actually need to go into work everyday? I mean its all online work right? ...
Bceause while some programmers are innovative, pro-active, right up there with current technology (and able to follow links when provided a month or so ago for the same question), many managers (and organisations) are still in the stoneage.

Hence:

Q. What's the difference between the IT department of <insert company name here> and Jurassic Park.

A. One is a fantasy land full of dinosaurs, the other is a film by Steven Spielberg.
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why does an IT programmer actually need to go into work everyday? I mean its all online work right? apart from meetings etc (im assuming a lot here) so why not live somewhere cheaper that gives more space and work from home? (and leave the rare accomodation that does exist to someone looking for a job where they have to attend everyday )
all IT would be in India in that case
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why does an IT programmer actually need to go into work everyday? I mean its all online work right? apart from meetings etc (im assuming a lot here) so why not live somewhere cheaper that gives more space and work from home? (and leave the rare accomodation that does exist to someone looking for a job where they have to attend everyday )
Many times the best work is not done in a vacuum. Sure some straightforward projects can be farmed out to an employee working from home but generally tough problems are better solved where you can have input from others. Imagine you have a senior developer who has part of his/her role to help more junior developers - thats difficult when one or the other is working from home.

Also it depends on how the organization is set up, some companies have seperate departments for project management and software testing that must work together with the programmer.

Finally it depends on the company culture - the last place I worked was a financial company and had the attitude of "if we allow one person to work from home then we have to allow everyone that right". I don't agree with that mentality but I guess I can see their point of view.

Ideally, for myself, is a job that is flexible. Its assumed the default is to come into the office daily but there may be projects that just require a LOT of straightforward, relatively easy, code that is best cranked out at home without the coworker distractions.

Just thought I would chime in as I just started my job search here and have already had recruiters ask me if I could work remotely for a company in zurich or something of that nature. I have to reply "yes its possible but...."

Monty, good luck finding a place. I found in order to get a place to my liking that I had to live "a short bus ride away from a major train station". Anything in 10-15 walking distance of the major stations on the Geneva-Lausanne line were either over 3000chf a month or not places I wanted to live. This was a couple months ago so I imagine its the same. Its not as bad as it sounds many of the busses are synced up with trains to Geneva as that is the big work destination.

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I found in order to get a place to my liking that I had to live "a short bus ride away from a major train station". Anything in 10-15 walking distance of the major stations on the Geneva-Lausanne line were either over 3000chf a month or not places I wanted to live. This was a couple months ago so I imagine its the same. Its not as bad as it sounds many of the busses are synced up with trains to Geneva as that is the big work destination.
any places you would recommend avoiding?
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any places you would recommend avoiding?
By that I meant I just did not like the neighborhoods.. mostly the only affordable places on the train lines that I saw and did not like were in giant blocks of large apartment buildings, a dozen plus stories tall, that look like they were from the 70s and in disrepair or almost looked moldy. My thought at the time was "I didn't move all the way to switzerland to live in something that reminds me of a bad part of a large city in the US . I'm sure many people are happy living there and those apartments disappeared rather quickly as well.

I didn't want to discourage you there but rather point you towards towns a little off the main line where you can get more place for your money. Nyon and Morges get a ton of trains to Geneva so you might want to check for towns connected via bus to either of those. Others like rolle, coppet, gland, allaman etc have much less trains to geneva so if I were to look there I would look only at places in walking distance to the train station.

One difficult thing is the busses aren't on the SBB site. Some of them are but many aren't - if I went by the SBB site there would be only 1 bus an hour to where I live while in reality there are 3 (though the timing is dumb.. some times of the day 2 different busses running almost the same route are within a couple minutes of each other and then 50 minutes of no busses).

Or are you driving? If you are driving you can ignore what I said above: it gets simple - its harder to find apartments in places with good public transport so look on the map and find communities away from the train line
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what are the disadvantages of living in france?
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what are the disadvantages of living in france?
monty brogan, there is a search button. We thought you are an IT person?
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monty brogan, there is a search button. We thought you are an IT person?
Ts ts ts

You didnt post the link to the search button. How will he find it now?

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Check out the sticky threads of moving to Switzerland. They are full of answers to questions you'll get bad rep for asking.
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what are the disadvantages of living in france?
The French?
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