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Old 01.03.2011, 03:48
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Tourism- call up all the organizations that use the languages you have and see if they know of any opportunities at all stocking shelves in an Asian market whatever...

But for a start- you are unemployed- there at least 12 hours a day that can be spent sending out job applications. In seven months that is 2520 hours spent looking for work. With 40 job applications that's about one job application every 63 available job searching hours. It doesn't seem like a great deal to me, If you are using the internet and looking for anything from manual labour up,

Where did I get this attitude from well my Malaysian female friends they all worked extremely hard to get ahead.

One Malay friend, (married to a Swiss then divorced with a child), was such a hard worker, she was an inspiration to me- so resourceful and determined. She worked hard getting to know people. She was pretty good at almost anything that she turned her hand to. She cooked and sold to restaurants, she ran cookery courses, she trained as a masseuse. She spoke Hoken, Malay, Mandarin, English (not perfectly) French and Swiss -German, she eventually worked as a tourist guide for tourists from the Far-East. basically she wasn't afraid to try anything. People admired her tenacity and through trying she met people. Most of her jobs came through contacts.

She took her earnings and the contacts that she had made and toured the world with her daughter, before her daughter went to school.

The people who get the opportunities are those constantly looking for them I do know people who tried extremely hard and got nowhere, constant rejection affects anyone, but at least they tried. Most still managed to get a something out of networking. You have to get out and meet people- the library, charity work, anything. The more people you know the better your chances.
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Well I bet your Mandarin, Cantonese etc are great, but your English isn't that hot (from your post) and if your German is worse I can imagine it'll be hard to impossible to find work. What are your skills/ qualifications etc?
I'm good in doing translation in written and simultanuosly from chinese to malay and vice versa. Qualification: BBA
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Tourism- call up all the organizations that use the languages you have and see if they know of any opportunities at all stocking shelves in an Asian market whatever...

But for a start- you are unemployed- there at least 12 hours a day that can be spent sending out job applications. In seven months that is 2520 hours spent looking for work. With 40 job applications that's about one job application every 63 available job searching hours. It doesn't seem like a great deal to me, If you are using the internet and looking for anything from manual labour up,

Where did I get this attitude from well my Malaysian female friends they all worked extremely hard to get ahead.

One Malay friend, (married to a Swiss then divorced with a child), was such a hard worker, she was an inspiration to me- so resourceful and determined. She worked hard getting to know people. She was pretty good at almost anything that she turned her hand to. She cooked and sold to restaurants, she ran cookery courses, she trained as a masseuse. She spoke Hoken, Malay, Mandarin, English (not perfectly) French and Swiss -German, she eventually worked as a tourist guide for tourists from the Far-East. basically she wasn't afraid to try anything. People admired her tenacity and through trying she met people. Most of her jobs came through contacts.

She took her earnings and the contacts that she had made and toured the world with her daughter, before her daughter went to school.

The people who get the opportunities are those constantly looking for them I do know people who tried extremely hard and got nowhere, constant rejection affects anyone, but at least they tried. Most still managed to get a something out of networking. You have to get out and meet people- the library, charity work, anything. The more people you know the better your chances.
Thank u sooo much for telling your's fren story!! I will start stepping out my life circle cos i know what's my real problem now.
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Well if you now insert the red characters it makes more sense.
Any English speaker with sense can understand the original perfectly. I don't understand why anyone would feel a need to start marking the mistakes.
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Well if you now insert the red characters it makes more sense.

Try visiting the offices at www.addeco.ch or www.jobscout24.ch or www.offene-stellen.ch

You need to realise that you might never find a job here. I looked for 3 years and never found anything.
Thank you for correcting my mistakes. I know my english is poor and not up to standard to look for a OL job here.
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Thank you for all the replies, I really appreacited it. I will takes those advise and hope one day I can annouce to everybody here that I got a job. Once again, thanks buddies!!
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Old 06.03.2011, 00:40
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Very best of luck s.grimm and stay positive, cheerful and open to all possibilities...

Looking forward to reading your good news in due course.
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Old 06.03.2011, 01:16
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I'm good in doing translation in written and simultanuosly from chinese to malay and vice versa. Qualification: BBA
You should certainly apply to the UN but also companies like these

http://www.transcript.ch/english/welcome.htm

http://www.asia-translations.ch/
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Re: I just need a job

if you've a mainstream skillset, looking for a job should be a fairly straightforward business. but if your skillset is unique and you've some constraints, then you need to be a bit creative about your job search. I'd start by looking at MNC's from my home country and see if they've offices near where I currently live. As well, I'd look at local companies that invest in my home country. to find out such information, I'd enquire at the (country where I now live)-(my home country) Chamber of Commerce. Another source of useful information would be my countrymen who're working here, I'd find out who they work for.

i came across this ad, thought you might be interested, interlaken is hiring people who speak asian languages.
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Old 06.03.2011, 09:34
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Re: I just need a job

I have a friend who was in a similar situation. He is older (54), no diploma, was out of the country for a long time and has a big gap in his CV, no good references, but married to Swiss so he is allowed to work here (If you are not, that is the main problem). He ended up getting a job at Ikea, which although pays minimum wage, has tons of perks like free food, employee parties, discounts on furniture, etc. plus is a good environment because they hire lots of young people from many different countries.
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You can expect, but you won't get it - it's one of the most useful and impressive things about Switzerland that has lead me to all but abandon kiosks in favour of the delicious mini panettone and black coffee to be found on the mobile trolleys on trains.

Personally I'm employed in English but if my job didn't work out I'd be on the next flight home. My language skills aren't good enough to find work here outside of my unusual job and I came to terms with that pretty fast. Going home is always an option - jobs aren't always a given.
The food trolley people are the classiest and I, too, am hooked at the raisin panetone, ugh. I don't think it is an easy job at all, but the dining car and food service staff at CFF are top notch.

The going home comment is actually really thought through one...The minute one gets relaxed about nailing down some good job here and realize one just has to be flexible to what life throws him, usually jobs start happening. Good luck, OP, I'd try volunteering, too, mingling with a lot of locals, getting the local lingo on par, etc.
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Old 06.03.2011, 11:47
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I would also look at Swiss-Malay trade and cultural associations.

http://www.m-s-a.ch/index.htm

http://www.myswiss.org

In this link you can browse all the members - I'd make speculative applications to every single one of them that are based in Switzerland

http://www.myswiss.org/smba/web/smba...rm&s=1&pg=dir1


As well as the embassy - no vacancies at the moment but nothing to stop you making a speculative application and following it up with a phone call or 3.

http://www.kln.gov.my/web/che_berne/home
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I think Economisto has a point (several actually).
In case - here is the UN job search:
https://jobs.un.org/Galaxy/Release3/...aspx?lang=1200

Most of the Int orgs are around geneva though... and the trick is that they all tend to hire separately. The link here groups some of them, but then you should look up a list, and look up separately each site (some will be more relevant for you than others... you are the best judge).
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I have been here for one week and I got 2 interviews already. Several ways to look at things here. Above all, this is a number`s game. The more you hustle, the more times you actually sent your Resume, the better chances you have in hitting the "jackpot".
However, it is also crucial to pay a visit to the quality aspect of your job hunt. I have learned in my 3rd day here, that sending out too many applications does not always have a positive result. Simply, because a recruiter, an HR manager or any hiring manager will not look at your CV twice. The latter will only (as explained by members) look at what exactly you have done. Nothing like the AMERICAN way of doing business where being cute and selfdriven , motivated and all the other BS will get you the job.
Finally, I confirm the need to go to a recruting agency...their job is to help you. I guess! Good luck to all.
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Hi,

You have to play to your strengths. There are many thousands of people here in Switzerland who are working and do not speak German. Obviously the long term aim would be to learn German but if I was in your position I would improve my English. It doesn't seem far off, just a few basic errors which can easily be corrected. Better English together with your other languages should open a few doors, even here.

For you to improve your English is not a big mountain to climb and would pay dividends. You don't need a course, just read and speak English (even to yourself) and just 1-2 hours a day and within a month you will be much more fluent, and much more likely to land a job.

Use the time you have to improve yourself and treat that as your job until something comes along. I know how disheartening it is to apply for jobs and hear nothing back, you have to lift yourself above it. Good Luck
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You have to play to your strengths. There are many thousands of people here in Switzerland who are working and do not speak German. Obviously the long term aim would be to learn German but if I was in your position I would improve my English. It doesn't seem far off, just a few basic errors which can easily be corrected. Better English together with your other languages should open a few doors, even here.

For you to improve your English is not a big mountain to climb and would pay dividends.
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I think Nigelr makes a very valid point here. That, together with your fluency in Chinese, Cantonese and Malay should improve your marketability edge quite considerably in the right sectors.
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Thank you for all the replies, I really appreacited it. I will takes those advise and hope one day I can annouce to everybody here that I got a job. Once again, thanks buddies!!
I appreciate your positive attitude s.grimm

All the very best. I am going to join the race of job search now
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Hi,

You have to play to your strengths. There are many thousands of people here in Switzerland who are working and do not speak German. Obviously the long term aim would be to learn German but if I was in your position I would improve my English. It doesn't seem far off, just a few basic errors which can easily be corrected. Better English together with your other languages should open a few doors, even here.

For you to improve your English is not a big mountain to climb and would pay dividends. You don't need a course, just read and speak English (even to yourself) and just 1-2 hours a day and within a month you will be much more fluent, and much more likely to land a job.

Use the time you have to improve yourself and treat that as your job until something comes along. I know how disheartening it is to apply for jobs and hear nothing back, you have to lift yourself above it. Good Luck
Hi Nigelr,
You advise do makes me to realise my focus to get a job. I studied 2-3 hours a day my German and the progress seems very slow. Maybe you are right, focusing on my strengths and not try to improve my weaknesses.
Once again, thanks for your advise and suggestions.

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Hi Nigelr,
You advise do makes me to realise my focus to get a job. I studied 2-3 hours a day my German and the progress seems very slow. Maybe you are right, focusing on my strengths and not try to improve my weaknesses.
Once again, thanks for your advise and suggestions.

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Your english seems functional to me. Now, if you can simply make sense of Chinese to a non-Chinese, that is a valuable skill already. Your challenge is to find a company that needs that skill.

I don't think a food trolley or a customer service job in Switzerland is for you. You can't communicate with the locals. You'll likely be assigned to do the manual labor behind the scenes. You can do it for a time for lack of a better opportunity, but keep looking for more high value opportunities.
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I don't want to be a downer here, only want to correct the UN job push here...It's a major major competitive field where people are brought in from the rest of the world. So, if you apply, you have to be careful and have the application proofread, work on CV to fit in, have a look at the paperwork that is available online. Just the application will tell you what their desired applicant is, and speaking languages is of course, just a regular prerequisite here, all the applicants will have language skills. So, I would definitely recommend applying to UN, absolutely, but be very detail oriented and realize, who they want. It's usually people with specific edu (degrees do play a big role), very driven and with specific work experience. If all this is met, quotas (country of origin, etc) also play a big role. OP go ahead and show them! After all, it's not only UN, there are so many high profile orgs in Ge, use the search button to have a look in the old EF threads.

And, another point regarding local companies and the way they run their hiring process (not UN), I completely agree, it is better to focus on quality than quantity, in terms of application. Nobody will read a simple email with loads of attachments, written in English with grammar mistakes and typos. If I were OP, I would take time proofread (use online webs), I would have CV translated, cover letter too, I would add references from whoever Swiss (even landlords, teacher from a language school), I would list OP's activities that show his willingness to integrate successfully, I would put all in hard copy, buy a special folder for job application, and mail it. I wold follow up with an email to check if they have received the stuff, etc etc. Personalization works in this country, really. Old school. You will stand out, at least, even if your profile does not exactly match the expected one, it shows dedication. It takes time to adjust to it, but now I do see the perks of this slightly archaic system.
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