Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Help & tips > Employment  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28.02.2011, 20:49
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Lenzburg
Posts: 17
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 18 Times in 7 Posts
s.grimm has no particular reputation at present
I just need a job

Hello everyone,

I been here for more than 7 months and yet still unemployed Before i move here I been working in embassy as a clerk for more than 6 years.I been sending more than 40 application but all come back with negative answers I willing to do anything..waitress, factory, ANYTHING. Beside english i can speak good chinese, malay and cantonese. I'm learning german now but it really seems impossible for me to get a job here. Can anyone help to give me some advise what I do here ...please!!
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank s.grimm for this useful post:
  #2  
Old 28.02.2011, 20:56
economisto
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
Beside english i can speak good chinese, malay and cantonese. I'm learning german now
Well I bet your Mandarin, Cantonese etc are great, but your English isn't that hot (from your post) and if your German is worse I can imagine it'll be hard to impossible to find work. What are your skills/ qualifications etc?
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
The following 8 users groan at for this post:
  #3  
Old 28.02.2011, 20:59
Golfprostew's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Egg
Posts: 264
Groaned at 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 182 Times in 100 Posts
Golfprostew has earned the respect of manyGolfprostew has earned the respect of manyGolfprostew has earned the respect of many
Re: I just need a job

Well I'd love to learn Malay, so maybe you can put your language skills to good use!

Good luck!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Golfprostew for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 28.02.2011, 21:02
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
Hello everyone,

I been here for more than 7 months and yet still unemployed Before i move here I been working in embassy as a clerk for more than 6 years.I been sending more than 40 application but all come back with negative answers I willing to do anything..waitress, factory, ANYTHING. Beside english i can speak good chinese, malay and cantonese. I'm learning german now but it really seems impossible for me to get a job here. Can anyone help to give me some advise what I do here ...please!!
Sorry to tell you but 40 applications in a 7 months.....i know some people who do 40 in 1 month.

Switzerland isn't an "anything" job market, people tend to want qualfied staff so iu should try and concentrate and use your specific skills to apply for jobs that you are qualified to do. By saying to a potential employer you are ready to do anything, this says you are desperate. It allows you to open a new post here saying how badly paid you are after 2 months and mostly it states you are a jack of all trades, master of none.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 28.02.2011, 21:03
LiquidPaper's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 544
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 457 Times in 204 Posts
LiquidPaper has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidPaper has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidPaper has a reputation beyond reputeLiquidPaper has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I just need a job

Does your permit allow you to work?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank LiquidPaper for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 28.02.2011, 21:13
Uncle Max's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Züri
Posts: 7,553
Groaned at 164 Times in 105 Posts
Thanked 8,424 Times in 3,486 Posts
Uncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond reputeUncle Max has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
...desperate...
The thread title says this already. Desperate times, desperate measures etc.

It can be very difficult to find instant work. Places such as Starbucks have regular openings and if you can speak enough of the local language to get by you may be lucky. Try their online site. Your language skills will be of interest to someone, but finding them is of course key; with the appropriate visa you will be interesting to some bank departments. Find as many recruitment agencies as possible, flag up what your strengths are and think pink. "If failure were impossible..."

Good luck
Reply With Quote
The following 7 users would like to thank Uncle Max for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 28.02.2011, 22:09
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
Hello everyone,

I been here for more than 7 months and yet still unemployed Before i move here I been working in embassy as a clerk for more than 6 years.I been sending more than 40 application but all come back with negative answers I willing to do anything..waitress, factory, ANYTHING. Beside english i can speak good chinese, malay and cantonese. I'm learning german now but it really seems impossible for me to get a job here. Can anyone help to give me some advise what I do here ...please!!

I recommend you play up your foreign language skills and look for Swiss companies with presence in Asia, or plan to have one. Those language skills are not easy to develop here. There would also be less applicants for such positions, if you manage to find them. Most Swiss companies export to, manufacture in, or develop business partners in Asian markets. It would be better than working at Starbucks'.

Find a recruiter to help you find a job. A good recruiter will take some time to get to know you. The good ones are very diligent in the work they do, and would only send you to opportunities that fit you.
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 28.02.2011, 22:14
Lejoker's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lausanne
Posts: 576
Groaned at 20 Times in 12 Posts
Thanked 285 Times in 181 Posts
Lejoker has no particular reputation at present
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
Well I bet your Mandarin, Cantonese etc are great, but your English isn't that hot (from your post)
LOL you're mean haha
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 28.02.2011, 22:36
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 51
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
Romano has no particular reputation at present
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
I recommend you play up your foreign language skills and look for Swiss companies with presence in Asia, or plan to have one. Those language skills are not easy to develop here. There would also be less applicants for such positions, if you manage to find them. Most Swiss companies export to, manufacture in, or develop business partners in Asian markets. It would be better than working at Starbucks'.

Find a recruiter to help you find a job. A good recruiter will take some time to get to know you. The good ones are very diligent in the work they do, and would only send you to opportunities that fit you.

I am yet to find a "good recruiting agent" (I suppose you meant)!!!! Do you know anyone diligent and interested in helping the potential employee rather than the company. Would love the hear your recommendation?

Regards,
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 28.02.2011, 23:03
Silver7's Avatar
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Cama, GR
Posts: 14
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Silver7 has no particular reputation at present
Re: I just need a job

Hi s.grimm. I, just needed a job, one time, never found one. I was also more or less saying I was a 'jack of all trades master of non' also goes down very bad here. In Australia it was quite ok. Believe me I have experience here and still don't have it 100%. You have a willingness to work,very good, but you need to present yourself here differently. Look over the advices given to you here and reshape you attitudes. Employers will look on what you did before, even in a factory. Look for similar jobs and or start on your language skills but not, I speak Chinese and want a job. I could offer you a job - something you have to build up so not for you at the moment but you could be very successful in a short time. Good job hunting.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Silver7 for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 28.02.2011, 23:04
Kamarate's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 1,914
Groaned at 57 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 1,619 Times in 685 Posts
Kamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I just need a job

I would also imagine that an employment agency is the best way to go. I started looking a year before I moved via a combination of Google and job search sites, but I imagine you've explored that avenue to the fullest! If you're stuck, the best thing is to ask for help from the professionals.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Kamarate for this useful post:
  #12  
Old 28.02.2011, 23:31
Ittigen
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
Hello everyone,

I have been here for more than 7 months and yet I am still unemployed Before iI moved here I had been working in an embassy as a clerk for more than 6 years. I have been sending more than 40 applications but they all come back with negative answers: I am willing to do anything.. waitressing, working in a factory, ANYTHING. Besides eEnglish iI can speak good cChinese, mMalay and cCantonese. I'm learning gGerman now but it really seems impossible for me to get a job here. Can anyone help to give me some advise what I can do here ...please!!
Well if you now insert the red characters it makes more sense.

Try visiting the offices at www.addeco.ch or www.jobscout24.ch or www.offene-stellen.ch

You need to realise that you might never find a job here. I looked for 3 years and never found anything.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post:
  #13  
Old 28.02.2011, 23:45
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Zürich
Posts: 24
Groaned at 1 Time in 1 Post
Thanked 58 Times in 10 Posts
Kaffee?Tee?Gipfeli? is considered knowledgeableKaffee?Tee?Gipfeli? is considered knowledgeableKaffee?Tee?Gipfeli? is considered knowledgeable
I can strongly recommend that you apply to work as a Minibar Steward on the trains, if you are genuinely desperate. The pay is minimal, but is better than being unemployed for a long period. German skills must not be great, just numbers,etc.
I expect mockery from some fellow EF members who are successfully employed in qualified, skilled professions. That doesn't bother me anymore.
Look! You can still look at other options for better paid employment. But I challenge you to eat humble pie and just start ANYTHING, as you said in your opening post.

Google Elvetino AG and get started!
Reply With Quote
The following 23 users would like to thank Kaffee?Tee?Gipfeli? for this useful post:
  #14  
Old 28.02.2011, 23:53
Kamarate's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Neuchatel
Posts: 1,914
Groaned at 57 Times in 38 Posts
Thanked 1,619 Times in 685 Posts
Kamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond reputeKamarate has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
I expect mockery from some fellow EF members who are successfully employed in qualified, skilled professions.
Well I hope you don't receive it! Anyone who does that is definitely a bumhole. Like you say, sometimes you just have to get on and work, no matter what the work is. Kudos to you for doing what you do and kudos to the OP also.
Reply With Quote
The following 13 users would like to thank Kamarate for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 01.03.2011, 00:23
kirley10's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: zurich
Posts: 67
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 49 Times in 20 Posts
kirley10 has no particular reputation at present
Re: I just need a job

We all have to pay our bills, and I find the more someone makes... the higher the debt vs asset ratio, (I could just say assho## ratio but that would be crass )

So I agree with the members responses, and their helpful advise - to pursue a placement agency, maybe they have a temporary help agency here, (?) like the "Kelly Girl" concept in Canada (& USA I think). That is a good way to get experience if the job market is tight and full time (EFT) positions are not coming your way.

I would also recommend creating about 10 different resumes catering to different areas that you have strengths in. If you want to respond to "Customer Service" support jobs, look over your experience and write a resume that pulls these skills out and expand on your successes in these areas. If you have any kind of "Inside Sales" experience, due up a CV (resume) with those skills highlighted. If you have experience with creating documentation that had to be 100% accurate (embassy experience? ) focus on that aspect and make that another resume . You have to have a few of these in your "tool box" to respond to the various job postings.

Also ensure you have links to all the "Swiss Online Search Engines " for job postings. You have more languages under your belt than most users of this website,... so do not get discouraged, just keep trying, but have a plan and have a target.

If you see something that catches your interested on the job posting sites, read up on the company web page, find out as much as you can about the company. Tailor your CV, resume by highlighting your skills to compliment the corporations mission statement or vision statement. It doesn't hurt to quote the corporation's vision statement in you cover letter. Also...keep track of who you applied to and when. Call back to these companies to follow up, ask them where they are in their placement process. Do not be afraid to ask if they have started interviewing yet,( you can suggest you are going to be away for a few days and did not want to miss their call or email ). Track this in a note book, who you spoke to and when. Keep following up until you get a definitive answer (don't get discourage, when they say "no the position is filled" ) ask them if you can follow up with a phone call to their HR department to learn more on what you could do to prepare for future possibilities with their company (courses etc.) to make you more viable to their business. Hey if you don't ask... you won't know.

Good Luck, and Good Planning. Finding a job, is a job in and of itself
__________________
Living the Dream

Last edited by kirley10; 01.03.2011 at 00:43. Reason: Forgot to mention final point on follow up.
Reply With Quote
The following 8 users would like to thank kirley10 for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 01.03.2011, 00:29
economisto
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
I expect mockery from some fellow EF members

You can expect, but you won't get it - it's one of the most useful and impressive things about Switzerland that has lead me to all but abandon kiosks in favour of the delicious mini panettone and black coffee to be found on the mobile trolleys on trains.

Personally I'm employed in English but if my job didn't work out I'd be on the next flight home. My language skills aren't good enough to find work here outside of my unusual job and I came to terms with that pretty fast. Going home is always an option - jobs aren't always a given.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 01.03.2011, 00:40
DJHannibal's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Zurich (greater area)
Posts: 90
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 39 Times in 29 Posts
DJHannibal is considered knowledgeableDJHannibal is considered knowledgeableDJHannibal is considered knowledgeable
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
Sorry to tell you but 40 applications in a 7 months.....i know some people who do 40 in 1 month.
I speak from experience. I have been job hunting for just over a month and have sent 49 applications. That's not even including the ones I sent out as a "last move" type application!

As many have said, sell your skillset. The best is to use a recruiting agent, I can fully recommend Paige Personnel (sister company of Michael Paige) as they recruit skilled workers with niche skills and work for the candidates rather than the client. You can PM me if you'd like the name of a contact of mine who works there.

Best of luck
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank DJHannibal for this useful post:
  #18  
Old 01.03.2011, 00:46
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,239
Groaned at 351 Times in 284 Posts
Thanked 23,462 Times in 8,477 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
Sorry to tell you but 40 applications in a 7 months.....i know some people who do 40 in 1 month.
I just wanted to mention the same. When I was desperate to find a new job, I pumped out more than 250 applications in seven months... each of them customized to the job, not just pushing some generic CV around. And as a native speaker with a good education and work record with local references - I got ONE offer.

Less than ten applications a month is not serious searching and far from the desperate measures others mentioned here...
Reply With Quote
The following 4 users would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 01.03.2011, 00:48
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: I just need a job

If a else fails, lower your standards.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Upthehatters2008 for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 01.03.2011, 01:23
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: I just need a job

Quote:
View Post
I am yet to find a "good recruiting agent" (I suppose you meant)!!!! Do you know anyone diligent and interested in helping the potential employee rather than the company. Would love the hear your recommendation?

Regards,

A good head hunter won't place someone unless it is a good fit for the company and you. Just through sheer number of attempts, I found a firm who was very knowledgeable of my industry. I basically made friends with the partners first, wining and dining them. They were savvy in American business culture, and a pleasure to hang around with. They sent a couple of openings to me, the first few of which were duds. After about 18 months, they sent one that was a perfect fit. They worked it hard, and I got what I was looking for. I think persistence is key to finding a job, and good relationships. If you don't have good relationships in Switzerland, start building them now.

If a recruiter in Switzerland put an effort into placing the OP, I'm sure they can find a position for her. I think her language skills are marketable nowadays, assuming she has the educational credentials.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ideas for job hunting: biostat or sas programming job Th4natos Employment 5 12.01.2011 08:31


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 10:37.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0