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Yes, I would quote present salary as being higher than it is to get a higher starting point 22 30.56%
No, would tell the truth, and try to negotiate a higher salary 50 69.44%
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:06
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Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

What is the level of information among members here about this?
With a new job must come a higher, even if only slightly, salary. With no way for future employers to check on present salaries(?), there is clearly an incentive to lie about present salaries (+10-30%?). Especially in management positions with non-reptitive work, there is quite a scope to project yourself as someone you are not (more experience, better performing..). Some of you must be at HR, so do HR already anticipate this? How does it work?
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Not sure how it works here but in the UK the HR dept would normally see your P45 when you start working, this shows them what you have earned so far in the current tax year. Of course, by then a contract would have been already signed.
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

That is interesting. So does everyone tell the truth about their present salary in the UK?
Or does a check practically not happen due to lack of communication between HR and hiring manager?

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Not sure how it works here but in the UK the HR dept would normally see your P45 when you start working, this shows them what you have earned so far in the current tax year. Of course, by then a contract would have been already signed.
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Old 21.03.2011, 11:53
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Irrelevant. If you lie on your application. whether they find out aboit it the day you start work or five years later they can, and often do, fire you. On effect, irrespective of what you signed, you never had a contract.

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Not sure how it works here but in the UK the HR dept would normally see your P45 when you start working, this shows them what you have earned so far in the current tax year. Of course, by then a contract would have been already signed.
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Irrelevant. If you lie on your application. whether they find out aboit it the day you start work or five years later they can, and often do, fire you. On effect, irrespective of what you signed, you never had a contract.
Yeah, but practically, you (mostly) never put your expected salary range on paper (on your CV, for example). You only tell the HR manager orally during the interview.
Anyway, legalities aside, how does it work practically? Do most people lie about their present salaries? Does HR already anticipate this? Real-life examples, anyone?
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

I'd just say something like - I'm currently on (or my package is worth) 100K. I'm looking for 130K, (this is my opening bid), because (blah blah - reasons why I'm worth it - more experienced now, this job requires more responsibility/risk). Then negotiate.

Always tell the truth, but use it to your advantage.
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

According to the law, a HR person does not have the right to ask what salary you currently have or previously had. You have the right to lie if they ask you. They may ask you what you think you should earn, but not what you have been earning so far. Same with health issues, pregnancy and the like. They may ask you if, for instance, the new job involves work with substances that might pose a risk in case of a desease or pregnancy, but otherwise, such questions are a big no-no.

However, I'm afraid, if they ask you all the same, you lie, they find out, you don't get the contract because of that, it will be difficult for you because you'll have to sue them.

There is an interesting article in the current issue of the Swiss (German) Reader's Digest (March 2011, p. 99) covering all these aspects. If you are able to read German, buy it. Of course, buying an English RD won't help because it is not just the same in English, and I assume the French edition is different too.
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However, I'm afraid, if they ask you all the same, you lie, they find out, you don't get the contract because of that, it will be difficult for you because you'll have to sue them.
But again, I would rather get an insight into the practicality without going to the extremes regarding legalities, etc.
Do the employers have a way of finding out in Switzerland? I dont think so?
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

It may surprise you, but HR usually (unless they live with their head in a hole in the ground) is usually pretty well aware of what makes sense.

The game around salaries at hiring time reminds me of two youngsters starting to date... a step forward, a step backward... to get in the end exactly where everybody knew they would end up.

Lying on your salary range is silly. You don't have to provide it at all, and in fact, most head-hunters would strongly suggest you do not share that information with your prospective future employer. Personally, I always do (because I am earning decently, and I want them to know that lowballing would not work; so they can start scrambling to get adequate budget) , but if I feared that it may be low, I would not tell, and just mention your expected salary range.

Note that there is no rule such as "with a new job, must come a higher pay"... it may, but you also may decide to change for many other reasons than money alone.
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

I think you are mad if you DON'T lie about your current salary.

As an employee you are still a company "Expense", and you get the same old tired response from Employers:

"Oh, you know - times are tight and we have a strict budget"

"Well, this is all the package has to offer"

"Let's look at a review of this package in 6-12 months"


As if your furutre boss WANTS to pay you more than they have to.

It's the same as buying or selling anything.

I think a conservative 'increase' of 15-20% is acceptible. They will know approximately what you are worth anyway so no point in stretching the truth. At the upper end of their expectations, they will just assume you are "Good" at your job.

They always have more up their sleeve, so draw out that "Ace Card" !!!
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Lying on your salary range is silly. You don't have to provide it at all, and in fact, most head-hunters would strongly suggest you do not share that information with your prospective future employer.
Right. In every single interview I had, I was asked pretty directly what I make right now. While I agree that this should not have an impact on what I am worth for the new employer - what would said headhunters suggest to answer? "That's none of your business!" - Doesn't sound like a promising path for an employment discussion.

I would not bullshit and claim to earn double - I think HR can estimate pretty exactly based on the pension funds contributions what you earned before. So if you claim to have earned double, they'd probably raise a flag... but I have usually estimated what they'd be willing to pay. If I thought there was in more in than I made, I "rounded it up" by some 10% staying within reasonable ranges - it gives you a head start for the negotiations. Never got any problem for that.
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most head-hunters would strongly suggest you do not share that information with your prospective future employer.
This is true....... at least for a while.

You should never reveal what you earn before the employer offers their package.


then you lie.


and like your sisters "dating" game.

You know the employer will shoot low, so you shoot high..... always ends up where both parties expect.
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I would not bullshit and claim to earn double - I think HR can estimate pretty exactly based on the pension funds contributions what you earned before.
GENAU !!!

If you lie...... Lie well.

Stay within the "Grey Area" of plausibility to remain convincing.
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

You shouldn't need to lie. They want you so get them to make an offer or tell them the range that you're looking for. If it is not enough then put it into the job offer that you get a review in 6 months with the new salary.
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

Remember that CH is a small country, and some industries even smaller. In my experience, there is always someone that knows someone that knows someone. If using a headhunter, these guys really know their industrie(s) and can easily know already, or find out on behalf of someone. For example, one headhunters wife is the head of HR in a very large bank. Even if something is not technically allowed, one often uses informal channels to catch the stinky fish. I would be careful.
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If you lie...... Lie well.

Stay within the "Grey Area" of plausibility to remain convincing.
Yes, that is exactly the area that I am interested in. Overall, the labour market functions and is more or less efficient (in economicspeak), which means that you do meet in the middle, and on an average, there is no need to lie! However, there is nothing lost in trying in your individual case, and I was guessing that most would do this - however, surprisingly the poll indicates otherwise
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

Why and when would you lie? And what is that you are looking for from the future employer?

Scenario A) When you already have a decent salary.

Will you lie in this case, if you already earn a decent or good salary?
Normally you would get a rise in the next move. May be if the job is a super dream job and you absolutely love the company or the job profile. You would lie about your salary and go for less for the ultimate “job satisfaction? “




Scenario B)
When you earn less (you think you are underpaid)

This should be honestly communicated; this could be a positive part and a good reason on why you are looking for a new job.
They might give you a good “rise” in spite of your past salary.
Candidates who earn average are “good candidates from an employer’s point of view as the relative” good package” will keep you motivated in the job as against someone, who is already well paid.
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What is the level of information among members here about this?
With a new job must come a higher, even if only slightly, salary. With no way for future employers to check on present salaries(?), there is clearly an incentive to lie about present salaries (+10-30%?). Especially in management positions with non-reptitive work, there is quite a scope to project yourself as someone you are not (more experience, better performing..). Some of you must be at HR, so do HR already anticipate this? How does it work?
How about the opposite. How many people claim a lower salary than they actually get, or forget to mention bonuses etc, because they are afraid they won't be offered a job they really want as the employer may not belive they are prepared to take a pay cut to get it?
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Re: Telling the truth about present salary at interviews

If you're going to lie about your salary, then why not also lie about your experience and qualifications? And if lies are okay, must your recommendation letters and diplomas be real? Why not print them out on your computer and get a friend to sign them. Fiction and fantasy are so much more interesting than reality. Do you see where this attitude is taking you?

Stay clean. Be honest. Play by the rules.

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