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Old 07.04.2011, 21:09
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Unemployment benefits if I left CH to study and am now back?

Hello all, it's been some time.

I quit my job in Geneva last August in order to go abroad for a one-year master.
Now I am slowlly starting to look for jobs around Europe, but the point is: I liked my life in Geneva and I want to go back, but I don't want to get any job. I'd prefer maybe to wait until I find something fairly good. So I am already looking for interesting things, but you never know, it can take one month but it can also take five months. In fact it's perhaps more realistic to expect to start at the beginning of September instead of the beginning of August, with people going on holiday.

I worked non-stop, on yearly contracts, from 2008 until August 23, 2010.
If I am back to Geneva on the 1st of August this year, I will be fulfilling the criterion of 12 months withing the last 24 months. But I was the one to quit my job last year; I was not fired and I had another 5 months to go until the end of that contract.

Does it look like I can get some unemployment help from the state when I'm back? I suppose it will be a small help, but anyway, I'm not planning to need it for more than 2-3 months (it will be easier to get a job once in Geneva).
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Old 13.04.2011, 23:56
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Re: Unemployment benefits if I left CH to study and am now back?

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Does it look like I can get some unemployment help from the state when I'm back?
I hope not. I just know the US system for social welfare, and if my tax dollars were going toward someone who "doesn't want to get any job", I'd be pretty peeved. There are others out there who are having legitimate troubles finding employment and need unemployment checks to support themselves, and you want the state to give you a monthly allowance while you wait for the perfect position to crop up? Selfish, IMO.
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Re: Unemployment benefits if I left CH to study and am now back?

You quit your job and would need to wait 3 months for payment. You need to have been actively looking for a job, and registered, during those three months.

So ... logic dictates you should "sign on" as soon as you return to Geneva and then after 3 months you'll start getting money. Not sure whether reality (as you left the country, and as you didn't register when you left your job) will match that, though.
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Not sure whether reality (as you left the country, and as you didn't register when you left your job) will match that, though.
This is what I am also wondering, but thanks for the reply.
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I hope not. I just know the US system for social welfare, and if my tax dollars were going toward someone who "doesn't want to get any job", I'd be pretty peeved. There are others out there who are having legitimate troubles finding employment and need unemployment checks to support themselves, and you want the state to give you a monthly allowance while you wait for the perfect position to crop up? Selfish, IMO.
Nice point here and I agree it's selfish, but this is how this system works (everybody pursuing the best career for themselves).
Let me point out that if I wait a bit in order to get a better I job I will probably have a higher salary (given my experience I expect to be in the 95-110K range), while if I get the first graduate job offer it will probably be below 75K.
So going this way I ensure I will be paying higher contributions to the social security system on the long run.
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Nice point here and I agree it's selfish, but this is how this system works (everybody pursuing the best career for themselves).
Let me point out that if I wait a bit in order to get a better I job I will probably have a higher salary (given my experience I expect to be in the 95-110K range), while if I get the first graduate job offer it will probably be below 75K.
So going this way I ensure I will be paying higher contributions to the social security system on the long run.
I've got no argument against you pursuing a career with the highest salary possible. Good on ya. But the system does not work in a way so that you can financially benefit (directly from the pockets of other taxpayers, might I add) in the interim. Wait it out, and suffer like the rest of us while you do!
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Nice point here and I agree it's selfish, but this is how this system works (everybody pursuing the best career for themselves).
Let me point out that if I wait a bit in order to get a better I job I will probably have a higher salary (given my experience I expect to be in the 95-110K range), while if I get the first graduate job offer it will probably be below 75K.
So going this way I ensure I will be paying higher contributions to the social security system on the long run.
My experience is if you aren't actively looking for a job (and proving it with a monthly sheet showing applications and results of responses and interview dates) you don't get any unemployment benefits.

They don't give a flying fandango about what you think you might earn at some undefined date in the future. Harsh, but true.
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My experience is if you aren't actively looking for a job (and proving it with a monthly sheet showing applications and results of responses and interview dates) you don't get any unemployment benefits.

They don't give a flying fandango about what you think you might earn at some undefined date in the future. Harsh, but true.
The point is, once I arrive back to Geneva at the beginning of August I am not planning to enjoy myself and take it easy.
I will be there in order to actively look for a job. I wouldn't like to have a big gap in my resume.

As for the harsh truth you are talking about, it is true in other cantons but not really in Geneva. I know people who are really enjoying themselves for a few months and only send 3-4 application per months to positions that they know they cannot get. And nobody in the canton services actually cares. This really sucks, but welcome to reality.


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I've got no argument against you pursuing a career with the highest salary possible. Good on ya. But the system does not work in a way so that you can financially benefit (directly from the pockets of other taxpayers, might I add) in the interim. Wait it out, and suffer like the rest of us while you do!
I don't see the point of your aggressiveness.
-I am not planning to lie to the canton (I asked if I can legally claim unemployment benefits, did you read my post?)
-I am not planning to pretend I am looking for job (I will actually do my best to get one)
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Does it look like I can get some unemployment help from the state when I'm back? I suppose it will be a small help, but anyway, I'm not planning to need it for more than 2-3 months (it will be easier to get a job once in Geneva).

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As for the harsh truth you are talking about, it is true in other cantons but not really in Geneva. I know people who are really enjoying themselves for a few months and only send 3-4 application per months to positions that they know they cannot get. And nobody in the canton services actually cares. This really sucks, but welcome to reality.
I think you answered your own thread, then in that case. Good luck with the canton services.
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No I didn't.
The person I am referring to went to the cantonal office the first day he was unemployed, after his contract expired without getting a new one. He did everything according to the most simple scenario (lose your job, go there and apply for unemployment).

I am asking if somebody knows if I can claim these financial support given that:
-I left my job without getting fired or having the contract expiring
-this happened at the end of August 2010 and I am planning to do it more than 11 months later

Thank you for your nice wish. I would have really appreciated it if you hadn't implied that my inquiry is similar to somebody who has been deliberately trying to not get a job in order to milk the unemployment support for as long as possible.
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I liked my life in Geneva and I want to go back, but I don't want to get any job. I'd prefer maybe to wait until I find something fairly good. So I am already looking for interesting things, but you never know, it can take one month but it can also take five months.
Hate to break it to you, but it's completely justified to equate your situation to your friend's. You've already admitted that you'll be strictly applying to vacancies with higher qualifications and, for this reason, it may take you longer to find something. You still know full well that you can apply to lower paid positions and (as you imply) receive an offer easily.

Whether it's milking it for as long as possible, or milking it for a few months, the principle is the same and thus comparable. You (and your friend) are essentially taking money away from less fortunate jobseekers (e.g. single mothers, recovering drug addicts) so that you can live comfortably. Makes me sick
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No I didn't.
The person I am referring to went to the cantonal office the first day he was unemployed, after his contract expired without getting a new one. He did everything according to the most simple scenario (lose your job, go there and apply for unemployment).

I am asking if somebody knows if I can claim these financial support given that:
-I left my job without getting fired or having the contract expiring
-this happened at the end of August 2010 and I am planning to do it more than 11 months later

Thank you for your nice wish. I would have really appreciated it if you hadn't implied that my inquiry is similar to somebody who has been deliberately trying to not get a job in order to milk the unemployment support for as long as possible.
Your situation seems to be quite complicated. And IMO since you did not apply for unemployment when you became unemployed as required and then you deregistered from CH you are no longer eligible for CH unemployment, but that you fall back in the EU citizen looking for a job in CH category. However, I don't think anyone but the ORP will be able to answer your question definitively as they are the ones who decide.

I would say best if you put all your efforts into finding a job that suits your career, aspiration, talents and skill level ASAP instead of waiting around for this mythical job with a salary that may or may be offered to you.

Remember, the longer you take to find a job, the less likely a company will be to employ you (especially at the higher level) as they will start to wonder why it's taking you so long.

Once you have a job, it's easier to get a different, better job.

Good luck with your studies and with your job hunt!
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Your situation seems to be quite complicated. And IMO since you did not apply for unemployment when you became unemployed as required and then you deregistered from CH you are no longer eligible for CH unemployment, but that you fall back in the EU citizen looking for a job in CH category. However, I don't think anyone but the ORP will be able to answer your question definitively as they are the ones who decide.

I would say best if you put all your efforts into finding a job that suits your career, aspiration, talents and skill level ASAP instead of waiting around for this mythical job with a salary that may or may be offered to you.

Remember, the longer you take to find a job, the less likely a company will be to employ you (especially at the higher level) as they will start to wonder why it's taking you so long.

Once you have a job, it's easier to get a different, better job.

Good luck with your studies and with your job hunt!
Thanks.
And don't worry, I know all this. I would never deliberately leave a gap of more than 2 months in my resume.

As a matter of fact I already have a few interviews with companies, none of them in Switzerland so far.
I am not obsessed to go back to CH, on the contrary I am really available to go anywhere I get a proper job offer (proper = in a sector I like, no internship, a salary that allows a living).
I am not looking for something mythical at this stage.

I only wanted to know if I have this backup option in case everything goes wrong, and it looks like I will only know if I need it and only once I am back to GVA and go ask at the canton.
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