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Re: Employers that hire women with headscarves

I don t know what is the problem with a scarf. I can notice that many woman and girls that work in Coop, Migros, etc. have a tatoo or piercing. In my opinion, that is so discasting. Scarf can be just very pretty accessoirise and make a women s face more beautiful.
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Discasting? Is that some kind of anti-Hindu thing?
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I don t know what is the problem with a scarf. I can notice that many woman and girls that work in Coop, Migros, etc. have a tatoo or piercing. In my opinion, that is so discasting. Scarf can be just very pretty accessoirise and make a women s face more beautiful.
I just read your profile: Are you really an English teacher? Since you are Bosnian, am I right to assume that you are Muslim? Do you wear a scarf? Would it be a problem for you to take it off for a job if the employer asked you to?
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I think she's trying to say my tat is disgusting.

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Old 20.04.2011, 08:27
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I don t know what is the problem with a scarf.
There's not a problem, per se, unless it's not part of your employer's dress code. I might want to wear shorts and a t-shirt to work every day but if my employer specifies long-sleeve shirts, ties, and a suit I can't very well argue with that since it was made clear before any contract was signed. Typically, such rules extend to jewelry as well (e.g. meaning no big gold crosses on display if you happen to swing that way, religiously). By and large, such codes aren't about relgious oppression, they're about projecting a professional image based on cultural norms. If you're in a different culture, different image standards apply.
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Old 20.04.2011, 10:54
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I was once waiting in the line at the Strassenverkehrsamet with an orthodox Jew in front of me... he was getting pretty emotional that the government did not accept the photo of his wife with the scarf on for her driving license... I can say that "so what do those Muslims do then?" didn't work either: "They also have to take off the scarf for the photo. The point of the image is identification, so you cannot cover yourself on it."

If I didn't know that you were German, I'd say you misunderstood what was going on. This is complete rubbish. Photos with headscarves are allowed in driving licenses, visas etc. As to the identification issue, I can't see how a headscarf is any different from a different hair style or color. People's faces change so much over the years according to their hair styles (and weight) and since the driving license picture stays the same I can't figure out how they have a look at a 20-year-old driving license and recognize the person.
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Re: Employers that hire women with headscarves

Your both right. According to this http://www.schweizerpass.admin.ch/co...stertafel.html
a headscarf is allowed as long it doesnt cover the face. The definition is actually pretty precise.
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Old 20.04.2011, 13:43
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If I didn't know that you were German, I'd say you misunderstood what was going on. This is complete rubbish. Photos with headscarves are allowed in driving licenses, visas etc. As to the identification issue, I can't see how a headscarf is any different from a different hair style or color. People's faces change so much over the years according to their hair styles (and weight) and since the driving license picture stays the same I can't figure out how they have a look at a 20-year-old driving license and recognize the person.
All I can say is that I was standing at max 2 meters away and overheard the conversation loud and clear. Especially loud... This was in Zurich at the Zulassungstelle Uetlibergstrasse in 2009. The guy working there had some kind of big chart with example pictures that showed what was allowed and what not - if you say that scarfs are allowed in general, maybe it was too much in the face or something?
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Old 20.04.2011, 13:59
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I don t know what is the problem with a scarf. I can notice that many woman and girls that work in Coop, Migros, etc. have a tatoo or piercing. In my opinion, that is so discasting. Scarf can be just very pretty accessoirise and make a women s face more beautiful.
Funny I always thought scarves were meant to be worn around a neck? Or is this a new footballer snood thing?

That's my 35 years in facist Western Europe for you.

Some would argue for the last 10 thousand years we've been trying to progress for equals rights for everyone regardless of colour, sex, sexual persuasion or religious ideal (unfortunately).

What I or you deem disgusting or not is of no relevance.

I'm personally considering a purchase of chainmail and helmet. (Horse and sword optional)

Another option would be to burn every church/mosque and synagogue attendee at the stake, perhaps then the majority amongst us can return to normality without this religious BS being shoved down our necks.

Religion is the education of the poor, and as long as this exists we will only go backwards not forwards.

You live in CH follow the rules of the employer/country if you don't like it go elsewhere and try someone else. I could imagine my unmarried other half walking around in Saudi in a bikini, or am I missing something here?
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Old 20.04.2011, 14:19
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You live in CH follow the rules of the employer/country if you don't like it go elsewhere and try someone else. I could imagine my unmarried other half walking around in Saudi in a bikini, or am I missing something here?
Yes. Context. Wandering around in a bikini would be deemed offensive by the social norms of Saudi (and would cause a few raised eyebrows in the centre of Zurich), whereas I think the vast majority of people in Switzerland couldn't care less if someone wants to wear a headscarf.
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Yes. Context. Wandering around in a bikini would be deemed offensive by the social norms of Saudi (and would cause a few raised eyebrows in the centre of Zurich), whereas I think the vast majority of people in Switzerland couldn't care less if someone wants to wear a headscarf.
A bikini is not a religious requirement, that's the context. It's an open show of religious belief. Leave that at home.

Same with huge crucifixes which in the main tend to be discrete unless you're Mr T. Who's a weirdo anyway.

As none of these religions can be trusted to play nicely...

I have an answer to all this religious lunacy. All religions must share the same buildings to worship. No religious building is to be sole use by a single religion. No religion is to be taught in schools.

Perhaps this would breed tolerance rather than the nutters who seem hell bent on imposing their crap on me.

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I have an answer to all this relilgious lunacy. All religions must share the same buildings to worship. No religious building is to be sole use by a single religion. No religion is to be taught in schools.

Perhaps this would breed tolerance rather than the nutters who seem hell bent on imposing their crap on me.
You reckon?
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You reckon?
Nah but it may have the other desirable affect
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I think she's trying to say my tat is disgusting.
And I was so sure that tats are culturally accepted by most parts of the world... even the parts that find headscarfs important.

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Discussing the rights and wrongs of wearing a headscarf is pointless.

The facts are: some women choose to wear headscarves, and would like to go to work in their headscarves. Some employers do not permit their employees to wear headscarves in certain positions.

The question is: which employers will employ a woman who wears a headscarf?

I don't see what there is to debate here...


Thanks a lot DB.

I appreciate all the replies, particularly the ones that answer the original question.

Just to confirm what DB correctly observed, the aim of this thread wasn't to debate company policies. I'm just trying to find out which employers I can suggest to somebody who asked me to help them in this issue.

Maybe another thread could be opened for people who want to debate the policy.
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P.S: For all the people who trash the thread - the discussion was from the start absolutely not "practical" and applied, but just the same as "can I live on 120000 CHF": What education does "the friend" have? What work experiences?... this was from the beginning so vague that it can hardly stay on topic or give tips that really help.
Sorry if I wasn't specific.

She hasn't worked for a long time, and doesn't have a university degree.

Her strong point is languages. She's fluent in German, Swiss German, English and various non-European languages, and can converse in French as well.

She's not looking in any one particular field. The idea is to have an additional income to make ends meet, and not necessarily to work for a prestigious firm, to avoid getting bored, for career development etc.. etc..

Whether this comes from a factory/warehouse, office or a shop doesn't seem to matter much.
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Sorry if I wasn't specific.

She hasn't worked for a long time, and doesn't have a university degree.

Her strong point is languages. She's fluent in German, Swiss German, English and various non-European languages, and can converse in French as well.

She's not looking in any one particular field. The idea is to have an additional income to make ends meet, and not necessarily to work for a prestigious firm, to avoid getting bored, for career development etc.. etc..

Whether this comes from a factory/warehouse, office or a shop doesn't seem to matter much.
Why she doesnt offer her services as translator? I know they charge between 50 to 70 the hour, she is fluent enought in so many languages that she could do this.
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Re: Employers that hire women with headscarves

in the kebab shop in Friedrichshafen DE, there are some very sexy waitresses who wear headscarves
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Re: Employers that hire women with headscarves

From what I've seen (sorry all children related as I'm a mum now) these skills would be useful in e.g. an advisory service which is aimed at people who don't speak FR/DE like multimondo.ch or maybe she could help out at the mutterberatung (I know of a few people who find it hard as they speak no Fr/De and can't communicate with the advisor) etc
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