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Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

I found this Swiss resume/cv template online:
http://graphicriver.net/item/-3piece-swiss-style-resume-set/155832

Is this a typical Swiss resume? Seems like there is very little space for explaining your past employment. I like the neat formatting but it doesn't contain a lot of in-depth information. Can you really get a job with such a vague resume?

Is a photo beneficial?
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

A typical Swiss resume (in my experience) includes:

  • A cover page with a list of qualifications and past employment;
  • Copies of all those qualifications;
  • Letters of recommendation from all previous employers;
  • A photograph;
  • A covering letter which explains it all.
It isn't unusual for an application package to be as many as 15 - 20 pages long. It is customary to return failed applications to the sender, however, which saves somewhat on photocopying.

This has been my experience in education. It may be that other industries have different expectations.

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Old 23.04.2011, 10:19
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

If I received a CV like that, it would go straight in the bin
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

It is worth observing that Switzerland is a very conservative country, and "flash" and "original" aren't valued in the same way that they might be in certain parts of the United States.

Think "plain", "straightforward" and "businesslike" and you'll have a much better chance to make a good impression.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

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A typical Swiss resume (in my experience) includes:

  • A cover page with a list of qualifications and past employment, like the one in your link;
  • Copies of all those qualifications;
  • Letters of recommendation from all previous employers;
  • A photograph;
  • A covering letter which explains it all.
It isn't unusual for an application package to be as many as 15 - 20 pages long. It is customary to return failed applications to the sender, however, which saves somewhat on photocopying.

This has been my experience in education. It may be that other industries have different expectations.
I've seen resumes which are closer to 35 - 40 pages, but most of those are for technical professionals in their late 40s. The cover page is sometimes both English and German, when proficiency is required in both.

I've also never seen anything like the one in the OP and would be very surprised to see one that passes the HR filter.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

I cannot imagine anyone has really used this template.

I like the scale of skills in the cv though: good - average - skilled
Since when is average better than good?
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I cannot imagine anyone has really used this template.
I suspect the "Swiss" part of it is merely a marketing name, like "English" muffins or "French" fries, as it clearly has nothing whatsoever to do with Switzerland.

Perhaps it is printed with a Helvetica font?

EDIT: It isn't, apparently. So the only explanation is that it is full of holes...
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Since when is average better than good?
That's the only genuinely Swiss thing about the CV...
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

Hi Cali,

The Swiss definitely call it a "CV", not a "resume", so searching for "Swiss CV" may net more useful results. I just did that, and the top result is... several threads on this forum!

Other than that, there's a lot of boilerplate out there. Beware of advice that looks too general/international (e.g. recruitment websites with "euro" in the name, anything that tells you your work experience "can be in chronological, reverse chronological or functional order" - I mean, what other orders are there?!)

I've only had to do an academic CV (yet) so can't really give you any personal tips.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

That is Haagen daz gone resume, i.e. all American make believe and nothing foreign at all. Send a CV like that to me and it goes to the bottom of the
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That is Haagen daz gone resume, i.e. all American make believe and nothing foreign at all. Send a CV like that to me and it goes to the bottom of the
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My favorite part was the graph to show work-play balance. I was convinced this particular candidate had mastered life balance in the way each shaded region melted together. I would have liked, though, to see some kind of flow chart, or even a bar graph, to show how much work the candidate would accomplish hour by hour.

Of course I would have liked to see that only to get another laugh out of it, before hiring someone else, but still.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

It is true that CV is not really the whole deal. It's a whole folder of info, CV is just a part of it. I was not so in their face about seding some awkward pic, a color copy of my permit did the trick just fine . But, back to the "dossier", folder consisting of CV, already printed and signed letters of recommendation (actually from all my 5 last jobs), criminal check, all sorts of certifs, including language ones, licences and "formation continue", ie other schooling post your usual studies, all sorts of inhouse and outside training. It does come to 30-40 pages. Put in a neat folder you can get in the paper shop, mailed hard copy and emailed (just the essential, in one pdf, so they do not have to open 10 and can just scan through). Honestly, I think different jobs require different tactics, but one is obvious - quality is more than quantity, better to send one really well prepared thing than make a master copy, emailed to dozens a week, just shows slack and desperation. A personal touch says more, too, if you drop a line about successful integration here and you are contacting a local company, proofs of local language efforts, it also resonates well. When I screened back home and hired, that was also quite well received, it is not only a CH thing.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

I have never actually seen a 'Swiss CV', I used the same format when applying in at least 4 different countries (US and Switzerland included) and I got interviews in different places so I suppose the CV wasn't going straight to the bin.

It was just a two-page pdf with education, experience, skills, publications and honors.

No certificates, no letters, no criminal check, etc, etc...

I am relatively young and I didn't apply to positions in the government or any other place which might have a very standard procedure. Another poster mentioned the education sector, I suppose there is a specific way to get their attention.

If you are a web designer, a flashy design like the one in the link would be ok or even encourage. Although more important than that would be a list of links to your previous work.

Show how good you are at whatever it is you do... for me that's more important than any layout... but well, I have never hired anybody so I don't know how realistic that approach is.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

It's a beautiful CV. But you might want to note that it's been done by a graphic designer. No one uses a CV like that. Not even a graphic designer.
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I'm not Swiss but have recruited a few people over the last few years. One of which was a particularly successful hire; extremely pleasant and knowledgable chap but his CV was shite. He was almost a bin-out on the first pass but I happened to notice some very relevant work experience.

He was chaos personified when he joined the company but he did a bloody good job.

I've been hired by two Swiss companies up to now, both on the back of my "do-it-my-own-way" CV. I think if you are applying for international-type jobs, HR departments are pretty used to getting CVs in a host of different formats from people with different backgrounds.

Keep it concise, correct, back up your qualifications with certificates and your working experience with good references and you can't go far wrong.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

One of the best CV's from a few years back, was based on a format designed by car makers Citroen - but it always had to be submitted in duplicate.
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It's a beautiful CV. But you might want to note that it's been done by a graphic designer. No one uses a CV like that. Not even a graphic designer.
I design and I have a well-designed resume. Not like the one I attached, it is more informational and less formatted. I don't have any skills assessment or pie charts. I never understood people assessing their own skills. Of course I am great at everything Honestly, if I stink at it, I wouldn't put it on my resume.

I kind of dig the organization of skills and the use of columns. I think I am going to reorganize my resume. Mine looks kind of like a modern newspaper layout. Mine has columns but there is too much information to spread things out the way they have here or it would be 4 pages. I also have a lot of contract work done under my business name. It is difficult to fit in contract projects because employers like to think you were "employed" for a company for x number of years. I have worked with many of my contract clients longer than I've worked at jobs.

How do you go about showing contract work? Should I split it or should I put it chronologically with my other employment?

Thanks for the help. I didn't think that resume was functional. I am happy to see that it is not a typical Swiss resume.
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This has been my experience in education. It may be that other industries have different expectations.
Education here too, I've had succes with an adapted version, I'm a rebel :
A one side of a page resume as an overview of my professional life and some personal talents,
then the documents that proves every single point stated, which in real life ends up being the same as what you stated above, with dipomas and past employer recommendations.
Besides that, a Bewerbungsbrief (letter of application?).
Total is also around 20 pages, but I had to explain my very very international university background, so that takes some space.

Last thing: photo should be professional, not SBB-station-photomachines made and boring very very neat clean looking picture of you at an extreemly recent date. Men: wear a tie.
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Re: Is this Typical for a Swiss Resume?

I am going to search for CV instead of resume. That may be part of the reason for poor results I received. Sorry I keep saying resume, lol, it's hard to break the habit.
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If you DO decide to try your luck here, there'll be quite a few habits you'll have to break!
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