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Old 27.04.2011, 14:06
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I am lithuanian, Lithuania is a part of EU. So I can stay in Switzerland for 3 months without a visa. I do need a working permit, which i do not have, but considering I am lithuanian, it is rather simple for me to receive a work permit in Switzerland once I have a job offer. Then its just a matter of time
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I am lithuanian, Lithuania is a part of EU. So I can stay in Switzerland for 3 months without a visa. I do need a working permit, which i do not have, but considering I am lithuanian, it is rather simple for me to receive a work permit in Switzerland once I have a job offer. Then its just a matter of time
So it means that the chf2500 you have been talking about is without any contributions to AVS nor tax deductions at all.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:10
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Re: Salary - is there a minimum wage in Switzerland?

Honestly, if I were you (and reading through this and your "unfair" thread) I'd seriously reconsider working for this guy. You don't have a contract, you're not receiving a wage, you have no social security, accident insurance and all the other "stuff" that goes with a contract, you don't have a flat - in other words, you don't have anything, but you also don't have anything to lose! Walk away - you deserve better.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:15
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Honestly, if I were you (and reading through this and your "unfair" thread) I'd seriously reconsider working for this guy. You don't have a contract, you're not receiving a wage, you have no social security, accident insurance and all the other "stuff" that goes with a contract, you don't have a flat - in other words, you don't have anything, but you also don't have anything to lose! Walk away - you deserve better.
I entirely disagree. Everyone that works in this country is obliged to follow the same steps , steps that protect the employee from slave labour and abuse.They are also asked to pay taxes for paying for the social services,public services that keep this country running the way it does. I think that both lina and her employer do not have the right to ride alongside with all the benefits without paying for any of them. The example is that every post on this and the other thread have assumed that lina has all her permits in order, that assumption is based on the fact that we are all required to do it .
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:17
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So it means that the chf2500 you have been talking about is without any contributions to AVS nor tax deductions at all.
well i didn´t get anything, so no taxes no nothing, when i get something, i´ll think how to pay those taxes
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:20
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well i didn´t get anything, so no taxes no nothing, when i get something, i´ll think how to pay those taxes

if your on an L or B permit then you would be being taxed at source, what more worrying (for you) is you have no accident insurance, and it sounds like your working cash in hand, which means both you and your employer are breaking the law, as someone else said talk to your local tax office and see if he registered you, if he is indian and breaking the law then I recon the powers that be will come down on him fast and hard.

leaving it is only going to cause you issues, especially if he is a con man and you have been signing things on his behalf
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:22
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I entirely disagree. Everyone that works in this country is obliged to follow the same steps , steps that protect the employee from slave labour and abuse.They are also asked to pay taxes for paying for the social services,public services that keep this country running the way it does. I think that both lina and her employer do not have the right to ride alongside with all the benefits without paying for any of them. The example is that every post on this and the other thread have assumed that lina has all her permits in order, that assumption is based on the fact that we are all required to do it .
I think you misunderstood me I'm saying that OP should walk away because s/he is being totally abused by an "employer" who obviously has no considerations whatsoever for Swiss employment laws.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:24
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well i didn´t get anything, so no taxes no nothing, when i get something, i´ll think how to pay those taxes

Oh well that sounds like a plan. So you will be applying for a work permit and telling the authorities that you want to pay tax on money you earned before you had a permit? I expect your employer will happily also retroactively announce to the avs inspectors, who by then will be auditing his "mingy" books, that he will gladly backdate the avs contributions? ditto for insurances etc etc.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:24
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I think you misunderstood me I'm saying that OP should walk away because s/he is being totally abused by an "employer" who obviously has no considerations whatsoever for Swiss employment laws.

and what grumpygit is saying is the op initially agreed to circumvent those laws in order to be paid cash in hand, under the counter, taps side of nose etc
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:25
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I think you misunderstood me I'm saying that OP should walk away because s/he is being totally abused by an "employer" who obviously has no considerations whatsoever for Swiss employment laws.
Swiss employemnt laws don`t cover nondeclared unauthorised workers - period
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:26
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well i didn´t get anything, so no taxes no nothing, when i get something, i´ll think how to pay those taxes
Lina, if you don't have a work permit then you have been working illegally for this guy for 2 months. The fact that you don't have a contract and he is not paying you does not change that. This is, as said, illegal and if caught, will have consequences for both you and the employer. I would strongly suggest walking away.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:26
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.... i think i should get at least 3000-3500 chf after taxes in this position, so i can survive here. Cause i got an offer for 2500chf...
I don't think that OP was initially trying to avoid paying taxes or having insurance etc. deducted.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:28
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I don't think that OP was initially trying to avoid paying taxes or having insurance etc. deducted.
Well how would she pay taxes without a permit?
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:29
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and what grumpygit is saying is the op initially agreed to circumvent those laws in order to be paid cash in hand, under the counter, taps side of nose etc
and enjoy the services paid for by my taxes !
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:33
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Re: Salary - is there a minimum wage in Switzerland?

I believe we're going in circles here...

Lina0308 needs to be registered, needs to have a valid working permit which s/he can only obtain with a valid contract, needs to have taxes deducted at source, needs to have social security, accident insurance and a decent salary. I think we all agree on that.

In his/her current situation s/he has none of those, which is why I'm saying walk away from this Indian "employer"
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:36
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I believe we're going in circles here...

Lina0308 needs to be registered, needs to have a valid working permit which s/he can only obtain with a valid contract, needs to have taxes deducted at source, needs to have social security, accident insurance and a decent salary. I think we all agree on that.

In his/her current situation s/he has none of those, which is why I'm saying walk away from this Indian "employer"
I understand that, but I don`t think that she is being honest either.If she has been working and expecting money, she knows she wont be paying taxes and I dont think she plans to declare anything anytime soon.Hence the low salary level.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:39
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I understand that, but I don`t think that she is being honest either.If she has been working and expecting money, she knows she wont be paying taxes and I dont think she plans to declare anything anytime soon.Hence the low salary level.

also the impression I get, after all who in there right minds works for 2 months without being paid if they are being legit?
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I understand that, but I don`t think that she is being honest either.If she has been working and expecting money, she knows she wont be paying taxes and I dont think she plans to declare anything anytime soon.Hence the low salary level.
Check out the "unfair employer" thread, I honestly believe that OP is being conned left, right and center by this guy. Maybe it's due to some kind of misplaced hope to be able to stay in Switzerland and survive on no more than promises?
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i got a bachelor of law degree, and i´n my home country i could have a really good serious job,
I am not saying that Lithuaninan law degrees are not comparable with other European law degrees, and some of my fellow bar members are known to be unable to tie their shoelaces without major help.... , buuuut:
1.They would know what risks they are taking working without required permits in Switzerland
2.They would know the not so subtle difference between being entitled to a permit and working without such permit.
3. They would know better than to work unpaid for an employer who can best be described as dubious.
4.They'd know better than to disclose enough information on this public forum which would allow quite a few people to identify them.
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Old 27.04.2011, 14:46
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Well my last post on the issue is this. Its one thing to be a black money worker in this country which gets my goat, but to be a black money worker complaining about working conditions is taking the absolute wee wees out of anyone that pays taxes . Nuff said, Im out
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