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Old 01.05.2011, 12:26
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Can anyone tell me exactly what Lohndumping is? Yes, something to do with low wages but is there a definition and where did this term come from?
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:28
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As I understand it, it refers to foreigners accepting work at lower salaries than their Swiss colleagues, thus forcing the general salary level down for everyone.
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http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohndumping#Lohndumping

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The term low wage is defined as a wage of a full-time employees, which is located just above or below the poverty line. Due to the low wages the employee is not guaranteed despite full employment an adequate livelihood. According to a decision by the Federal Constitutional Court heard on the free democratic basic order of the tasks of the state, wages below the subsistence level, that is constitutionally impermissible exploitation to prevent workers.
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:32
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Re: Lohndumping

thanks, I'm intrigued by the term itself though. Why use "dumping"? Isn't the German language capable of describing this practice?
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:41
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thanks, I'm intrigued by the term itself though. Why use "dumping"? Isn't the German language capable of describing this practice?
angst, zeitgeist. schadenfreude are german words widely used in english.
Isn't the english language capable of describing?

Language is a live entity that gives and absorbs words from other languages & cultures.
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:42
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thanks, I'm intrigued by the term itself though. Why use "dumping"? Isn't the German language capable of describing this practice?
Are you saying there are no foreign words in your Mother Tongue ? If there are, then maybe the same question applies equally back. Once you understand why this is so, you can apply this to German.
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:48
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Can anyone tell me exactly what Lohndumping is? Yes, something to do with low wages but is there a definition and where did this term come from?
http://www.wordreference.com/ende/dump
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:51
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thanks, I'm intrigued by the term itself though. Why use "dumping"? Isn't the German language capable of describing this practice?
This is kindergarten stuff...
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Old 01.05.2011, 12:55
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This is kindergarten stuff...
you studied linguistics and economics in kindergarten?
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you studied linguistics and economics in kindergarten?
...and you still ask such a question ?
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Old 01.05.2011, 13:37
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thanks, I'm intrigued by the term itself though. Why use "dumping"? Isn't the German language capable of describing this practice?
Probably because if it was "literally" translated into German, it would end up being a word composed of several different words... a long the lines of:

wageloweringbyforeignerscominghereandtakingourjobs-atlowerwagesreducingthewagesforall

hence: Lohndumping

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You can use Unterbietung for dumping if you really want to.
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Re: Lohndumping

As so often when seemingly English words are forced on native German speakers by journalists, politicians, advertising companies and other zeitgeist-driven professional language mutilators, the point is that most victims of these atrocities don't know what the word means in the original language, so it can be used to convey a meaning it does not really have.

Other examples in German (a phenomenon an English friend of mine, a linguist, by the way, calls Reverse Englineering): "Mobbing" (usually used in the sense of bullying or harrassment at work), "Handy" (for a mobile / cell phone), "Oldtimer" (in the sense of an old vehicle), "Slip" (for panties), "Hitliste" (for a record chart) etc..

It works the other way round too, by the way: clutz (German "Klotz," meaning a block of wood), spiel (pure German, but there it means a game, play, gambling, but also clearance, allowance), to putz (again pure German, but there it means to clean). However, there is much less such influence German -> English than the other way.
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wageloweringbyforeignerscominghereandtakingourjobs-atlowerwagesreducingthewagesforall
what's that in german?
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what's that in german?
It's all in Lohnunterbietung, the word is rarely used. It was funny to make that long word joke, but that's just a joke.

Lohn = salary
unter = less than the others
bietung = offering

German is very condensed. But when the (false) english (or french) word has a clear definition and can be used the same way as a German root (particles, compounds, affixes...) then the new word is integrated. It's like Japanese: they use katakana-words the same way they use kanji in compositions.

When the foreign word obeys to the same formal potential as the local words, they become totally local and find their place into the language naturally. English had found a way to put -ing and -ed endings to all verbs taken from french/picard/latin too.
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It's all in Lohnunterbietung, the word is rarely used. It was funny to make that long word joke, but that's just a joke.

Lohn = salary
unter = less than the others
bietung = offering
but that is not enough. it doesn't mention foreigners coming , or taking jobs, or reducing wages for all
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