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Old 04.05.2011, 10:34
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Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?

I think this meant to be the lowest amount a person can live on and have to make compromises to finish their month, as per the social assistance calculations here, the monthly minimum is calculated this way:

1 person:

1100 Rent
1250 Pocket monet
70 CH Transport
400 Health Insurance
Total: 2820 CHF

2 person + kid:

1100 Rent
1850 Pocket monet
140 CH Transport
1000 Health Insurance
Total: 4090 CHF

If someone is living in rural areas, this can be sufficient, if living in the city then people would struggle to live normally.

Swiss define poverty as missing essentials to live and income going under the vital minimum which is 1250 CHF after paying rent, transport and insurance
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Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?

Discussing what poverty is and what poverty is not only in terms of money does not make much sense, since poverty, as well as poorness, hardship, misery, scarcity and also wealth and richness – they all are state of mind rather than state of pocket. However, both of these states are coupled, and it depends on the given individual how tightly coupling is. It is absolutely not possible to draw a solid line and say that below this line you can’t make it, and above you will be fine.

People can adapt to have comfortable life using whatever resources they have, however, their life might be less comfortable than the life of their better doing neighbors – one can be forced to use public transportation, and the other might have a choice, one can go for two weeks vacation in 5* hotel in Aruba, the other might go hiking in the mountains, and so on, but I believe, none of them is really poor.

Real poverty starts, when someone is not able to satisfy their basic physiological needs which are required for body survival – food, drinks, clothing, and shelter. Everything above is a kind of luxury. Obviously, the line of the graph gives some safety space, however, if someone felt below this line and stays there for a longer period, things might go wrong. So, I would read it as a warning sign rather, than a real status mark.


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Old 04.05.2011, 11:04
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It's interesting that the income level to be above poverty if significantly higher for a couple with a kid than for a single parent. Due to the insane lunch time regime here and cost of childcare I would think that would be reversed in the real world.
That would depend on whether one or two parents are working.

And, having lived as a two parent family with kids, and as a single parent with kids, I can assure you that living costs are less as a single parent.

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I think this meant to be the lowest amount a person can live on and have to make compromises to finish their month, as per the social assistance calculations here, the monthly minimum is calculated this way:

1 person:

1100 Rent
1250 Pocket monet
70 CH Transport
400 Health Insurance
Total: 2820 CHF

2 person + kid:

1100 Rent
1850 Pocket monet
140 CH Transport
1000 Health Insurance
Total: 4090 CHF

If someone is living in rural areas, this can be sufficient, if living in the city then people would struggle to live normally.

Swiss define poverty as missing essentials to live and income going under the vital minimum which is 1250 CHF after paying rent, transport and insurance

We fall under "paar mit 1 kind" in mittelstand. One parent working. We live in a rural area but our rent is around 1500. Quite comfortable but most of the time i still feel poor especially since all my belongings still fit in one average-sized travelling bag...with some space left.

Anyhoo, im just waiting for the groaner to justify why i was groaned. I come from a third world country and have experienced living among families who have children who look like the ones in the picture. My family help back home help those people on a regular basis. Not just by feeding them but by using our connections to get them sponsored trainings, find employers if we dont employ them ourselves. So im not spoiled or anything. I dont get it. Maybe a groan back would make me feel better? End of story.
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We fall under "paar mit 1 kind" in mittelstand. One parent working. We live in a rural area but our rent is around 1500. Quite comfortable but most of the time i still feel poor especially since all my belongings still fit in one average-sized travelling bag...with some space left.

Anyhoo, im just waiting for the groaner to justify why i was groaned. I come from a third world country and have experienced living among families who have children who look like the ones in the picture. My family help back home help those people on a regular basis. Not just by feeding them but by using our connections to get them sponsored trainings, find employers if we dont employ them ourselves. So im not spoiled or anything. I dont get it. Maybe a groan back would make me feel better? End of story.
Forgetting about it and not caring is the best course of action Stephanienie. I have 65 groans and I've never giving a crap about any of them.
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Old 04.05.2011, 11:31
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Forgetting about it and not caring is the best course of action Stephanienie. I have 65 groans and I've never giving a crap about any of them.
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Most of my groans are from economisto and lost_inbroad
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Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?

Starving kids in Africa is extreme poverty, but that doesn't mean there isn't poverty in the western world. If an average family of 2 adults and two kids can't earn enough to have a proper healthy diet, pay things like energy bills, health insurance, transport costs to work and other basic living requirements then they are in a state of poverty.
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Starving kids in Africa is extreme poverty, but that doesn't mean there isn't poverty in the western world. If an average family of 2 adults and two kids can't earn enough to have a proper healthy diet, pay things like energy bills, health insurance, transport costs to work and other basic living requirements then they are in a state of poverty.
That's why the Wikipedia reference-linkMultidimensional Poverty Index was coined, as there are different "degrees" of poverty.
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Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?

Thread about 120K salary is no place to discuss poverty. Please take it to the complaints section of the forum. Thank you.
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Thread about 120K salary is no place to discuss poverty. Please take it to the complaints section of the forum. Thank you.
At least 10 of the last replies to this post are non sense comments about groans. What's the correct category for them?
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