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03.05.2011, 16:05
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| | Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? Since a picture is worth a thousand words - here is a picture:
Legend:
Bruttoeinkommen - gross income, income before taxes
Armutgrenze - poverty line
Unterschicht - lower class
Mittelstand - middle class
Oberschicht - upper class
Einpersonenhaushalt - single person household
Alleinerziehend mit 1 Kind - single parent with 1 child
Paar ohne kind - couple without children
Paar mit 2 Kindern - couple with 2 children
V.
Last edited by vastor; 03.05.2011 at 16:57.
Reason: Additional translations
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03.05.2011, 16:09
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
I assume that one kind soul will translate that for people who dont speak German. I sort of got it but i cant see where it makes references in money
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03.05.2011, 16:09
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
Best thread title ever. | The following 5 users would like to thank Mud for this useful post: | | 
03.05.2011, 16:14
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
This is totally not what I expected....
Win!
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03.05.2011, 16:16
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
One interesting thing about these figures is that a previously-well paid single person still comes towards the top end of the "middle-class" band even on unemployment benefit (which is capped at about 7,000 CHF a month).
I'm not sure if this says more about the generosity of the State or about just how many middle-class Swiss people are living perfectly well on what a lot of expats would consider to be "low" salaries.
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03.05.2011, 16:17
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
Whoopsie, just hovering above the poverty line, must see the manager about that raise.
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03.05.2011, 16:21
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
It's interesting that the income level to be above poverty if significantly higher for a couple with a kid than for a single parent. Due to the insane lunch time regime here and cost of childcare I would think that would be reversed in the real world.
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03.05.2011, 16:40
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
And this numers are salary by month, before or after taxes?
Make a huge diference for me. From being in the middle of the Mittelstand to the border of Unterschicht!! | 
03.05.2011, 16:43
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | And this numers are salary by month, before or after taxes?
Make a huge diference for me. From being in the middle of the Mittelstand to the border of Unterschicht!!  | | | | | By month, before taxes.
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03.05.2011, 16:44
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Brutto is gross salary
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03.05.2011, 16:52
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | It's interesting that the income level to be above poverty if significantly higher for a couple with a kid than for a single parent. Due to the insane lunch time regime here and cost of childcare I would think that would be reversed in the real world. | | | | | My guess is that this also takes into consideration potential tax deductions.
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03.05.2011, 17:15
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
Ha Ha !!!
I opened this hoping to be entertained by reading all the sledges and insults directed at the OP........
...... but your thread is excellent !!!
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03.05.2011, 17:17
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | My guess is that this also takes into consideration potential tax deductions. | | | | | I'm sure you're right, but the reality I hear from several Swiss families and personal experience says it still doesn't matter. The 'second' income in a dual income family gets taxed more heavily, yes, and at least around here you pay childcare on a sliding scale based on income.
But a dual income family, even paying more taxes and higher childcare costs still come out better than a single parent who is paying the minimum childcare costs. Add in the inflexibility of timetables- I think it is much harder for a single parent here to keep their head above water much less have a comfy middle class lifestyle. Much easier for a couple to juggle lunchtimes and sick kids and such than a single parent, the single parent will always have to fork out cash to compensate when they are physically unable to look after their child during working hours.
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03.05.2011, 17:21
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | By month, before taxes. | | | | | then, if this graph is before taxes in not that good. As the diferences of taxes paied by people are huge. I pay much more taxes than some of my collegues...
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03.05.2011, 17:23
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | Ha Ha !!!
I opened this hoping to be entertained by reading all the sledges and insults directed at the OP........
...... but your thread is excellent !!! | | | | | Me too, now that it's confirmed this could signal the end :-(
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03.05.2011, 17:27
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm sure you're right, but the reality I hear from several Swiss families and personal experience says it still doesn't matter. The 'second' income in a dual income family gets taxed more heavily, yes, and at least around here you pay childcare on a sliding scale based on income.
But a dual income family, even paying more taxes and higher childcare costs still come out better than a single parent who is paying the minimum childcare costs. Add in the inflexibility of timetables- I think it is much harder for a single parent here to keep their head above water much less have a comfy middle class lifestyle. Much easier for a couple to juggle lunchtimes and sick kids and such than a single parent, the single parent will always have to fork out cash to compensate when they are physically unable to look after their child during working hours. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | then, if this graph is before taxes in not that good. As the diferences of taxes paied by people are huge. I pay much more taxes than some of my collegues...
I need an increment of salary.  | | | | |
Guys,
it's just a graph
I'm not taking a shot at either of you, but we know there will be a million exceptions to the rule, so best not to take this too seriously and just appreciate it as a consolidated answer to the 11.2Billion threads asking about salary.
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03.05.2011, 17:31
| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland?
Just to clear something up
Poverty
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03.05.2011, 17:35
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Thanks vastor, I was actually going to ask why oh why another thread like this was created but I will eat my words | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
03.05.2011, 17:42
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| | Re: Is CHF120K a good salary in Switzerland? | Quote: | |  | | | Just to clear something up
Poverty 
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In principal, yes. Though that really doesn't work when comparing economic terms.
The issue is that the class-zones are relative. I don’t believe that this has anything to do with “ease of life”, but more so with relative wealth.
So, yes, I am fully aware that a single parent struggles - but at the end of the day, in economic terms, the average child does not cost the equivalent to the average adult. Add to that the tax deduction potential of a child vs. and adult and you end up with a lower deviation to the class barrier.
You also can't compare the income classes of the world inclusively for a usable rate. We are in Switzerland after all, the only thing you would get from such a graph is that we all reside in the top 2% for the world - and how can you use that to compare to your neighbour?
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03.05.2011, 17:47
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Poverty 
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Why did you have to post a picture like that? It caught me offguard. Im holding back my tears now thank you very much.
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