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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

- Start looking for a new job - just to hedge your bets

- Make sure you keep - i.e. print - all emails from management congratulating you on your work

- Whenever your colleague wants to make a negative comment to you, ask him to put it in an email and keep all such emails in a file

- Keep a diary of all incidents of mobbing noting time, date and how you felt and who else was present at the time

- Arrange a meeting with HR and present them with your dossier - informing that the mobbing behaviour must stop otherwise you will have no choice but to seek legal redress.

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Old 10.05.2011, 21:37
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Go straight to HR. They have a legally obliging process to deal with mobbing. Make sure of your claim, it could backfire, Facts, dates, witnesses. Reporting it, even of nothing happens, sends a warning shot to the morons involved.
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Old 10.05.2011, 21:42
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

Make sure the report to HR is properly recorded - if you meet with them take minutes listing what you told them, and what action they propose to take.

Make sure you file the minutes in your dossier.

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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

Is he the same position as you are higher?
if the same tell him to off and stand up for yourself. be an ass back and they quickly get the point.

Just do what you are supposed to do, say no to everything he says or ask....
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

I wouldn't get upset or angry.

Quietly look for another job, don't make waves, do your job and give it your best, keep your head held high, stay respectful and polite, do not retaliate in anyway.... and simply leave when the time is right for you.

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I know you will hate me by the second you read that title and clicked on the thread!
I am not evil or anything like that....I have been mobbed by the 2 of my colleague it has been more than 5 months.

Especially one of them behave like an angel in front of the management team and once we are alone, he treats me like a maid in the office.

Last time we were alone and he took advantage of the situation and started to yell at me and it was scandalous.....I informed the management and none seemed to care about it and they postponed my meeting till another few weeks cause they are under time pressure...

I was convinced that they wont seem to be any solution to my problem. Nobody seems to believe me, since my colleague shows the best image in front of them!

I thought the only solution is to treat him likewise and start mobbing him the way he is....

I dont have this character, do you have any tips on how i can do that?

I cant work, cant concentrate and feel miserable 24 hours on 24!!!
Mobbing is common in Switzerland ...easiest solution, take a few days off woork ..go see a doc, tell him/her your suffering mental stress at work from a colleague and that you think you are having a breakdown..get him to let you have two weeks off ...and make the doctor write a letter describing your problem, why it is occurring .. and send it to your boss, CC HR....if nothing happens take more time off..in Switzerland you can get fired for no reason at all..the law, if you are ill ..they cannot fire you.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

Op I am really sorry to read your story - for what it`s worth - here is my take on it.
Two things don`t make a right . . that`s true - but as you say, why should YOU have to look for a job - when it`s you that is the victim??
I would do the following.
1. As suggested by others, collect and document any evidence that you can relating to the mobbing incidents. Some of this should be discrete (like possibly filming/recording - get a voice recorder) - but also some of it should be less discrete.
That is to say, it`s about time the perpetrator is made aware that POSSIBLY you are making some records of the events. If they do it again, let them see you check your watch and then be seen to make some notes in a book.
Try and stay calm.
It`s critical to stay on the moral high ground - so, mobbing them is not an option.
However, it`s time you stood up to them. They obviously expect you to take this lying down. Next time when they shout - try facing them off and shouting back. They may think twice about it.

2. Make a vague suggestion that you may be prepared to take it further.

3. You say the company/management won`t do anything about it - well I think that as most of them do - they are avoiding the issue. Most members of management are incapable of managing at all - they are just people who are good at a particular job and have escalated into a position called `manager` . . remember, the best players are not always the best captains. Write an e mail to the manager and ask them to confirm that you reported a mobbing incident on a certain date. That then puts them in the frame of repsonsibility and will force them to address it.

4. Keep your spirit up and keep doing your job. Do not let them get you down - keep a high profile with the manager and let them see that you are a good worker.

5. Try to isolate any others who are mobbing with him/her and make a bit of friendly chat . . . that way you are discretely undermining the mobber.

6. Ultimately they may get rid of you - - but FFS don`t go down without a fight. Remember - you have rights - but to keep them you have to stay on the moral high ground.

Let us know how it develops and I really do hope that you get it resolved.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

It's best not to retaliate in these situations, as it often leads to disastrous consequences. I would recommend taking a diary the minute you realise you are the target for this treatment and recording these incidents can require a lot of discipline, but in the end it will be harder when you eventually complain if you don't. Try and confront this person if you can and see if that works. If you are mobbed in front of other people then you should pull some of the more sympathetic witnesses to one side and say did you see what happened there, then you can call on them more easily as witnesses later on. Otherwise you should confide in other colleagues and inform them of what is going on. If you keep it to yourself then when you do complain people will be shocked and less likely to believe you. It seems like you have taken some steps already. Buying a tape recorder would be advisable as well and stealthily record confrontations if you can, as without witnesses and only your personal tetimony common sense dictates that it will be hard to discipline this person. That's the best advice i can give. With these situations you have to be on your toes and quick to react. You have to use all the tactics that are available to you. If you simply let them do it too you then there will be no hope of any positive outcome.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

Buy a digital recorder and walk around with it at all times. Take it out of your pocket as soon as the guy come close to you. These little things are excellent recorders, I use them for collective orals like debates and presentations, some of them record the whole room. Or even keep it around your neck attached like keys or badges, visible to all at all times... the one concerned will know what you mean and what it can do to him.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

All this talk about secret recordings: forget it!

It's illegal to record someone without them knowing or without their permission. You'll end up being the baddy if you try to use this against them.

Keeping a diary or a written file, however, is good advice.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

Not secret recording, I never wrote anything about "secret". On the contrary: show it openly to make him understand that you can push the record button at any time in front of his nose. I never wrote secret, please don't change the meaning of my message.

EDIT: it seems one has to be very explicit here: I even said that you probably won't even have to record anything by showing that you can record openly.

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If you re-read Faltrad's post, it is clear that he didn't mean secret recording.
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I know you will hate me by the second you read that title and clicked on the thread!
I am not evil or anything like that....I have been mobbed by the 2 of my colleague it has been more than 5 months.

Especially one of them behave like an angel in front of the management team and once we are alone, he treats me like a maid in the office.

Last time we were alone and he took advantage of the situation and started to yell at me and it was scandalous.....I informed the management and none seemed to care about it and they postponed my meeting till another few weeks cause they are under time pressure...

I was convinced that they wont seem to be any solution to my problem. Nobody seems to believe me, since my colleague shows the best image in front of them!

I thought the only solution is to treat him likewise and start mobbing him the way he is....

I dont have this character, do you have any tips on how i can do that?

I cant work, cant concentrate and feel miserable 24 hours on 24!!!
As a lotus flower is born in water, grows in water and rises out of water to stand above it unsoiled, so I, born in the world, raised in the world having overcome the world, live unsoiled by the world....in other words...to err is human and to forgive is divine. Stand above it!
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

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Anyone know if the OP can use a video camera and record the events or does that break privacy laws here?

Kind of hard evidence that he could build up over a little bit of time.
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Buy (or borrow) a small digital audio recorder and try to gather some evidence. Take the evidence to the management and inform them that if they don't do anything you will go to a lawyer.
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1. As suggested by others, collect and document any evidence that you can relating to the mobbing incidents. Some of this should be discrete (like possibly filming/recording - get a voice recorder) - but also some of it should be less discrete.

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Buy a digital recorder and walk around with it at all times. Take it out of your pocket as soon as the guy come close to you. These little things are excellent recorders, I use them for collective orals like debates and presentations, some of them record the whole room. Or even keep it around your neck attached like keys or badges, visible to all at all times... the one concerned will know what you mean and what it can do to him.
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You need permission to record someone - this was the question or advice asked earlier in the thread. Faltrad's advice is sound - I did read it
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Especially one of them behave like an angel in front of the management team and once we are alone, he treats me like a maid in the office.

Last time we were alone and he took advantage of the situation and started to yell at me and it was scandalous.....
Next time anyone does that, simply get up, say 'Come with me' and walk to where there are people around, preferably the HR office, and say 'Now, please continue'. They are doing it in private because they know it's wrong and they can get in trouble for it. Introduce a little public shaming into the equation. If they try to stop you, just yell "Stop touching me you creepy f**k!". Or just run out of your office and yell that without trying to do the shaming thing.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

Assess the situation, learn from it, move on.

What I'd do:
Anger and hard feelings take time, I'm in a hurry
If the trust is broken, just leave, don't take the pain with you.

You can't change your colleague, but you can change how you feel about it.
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Re: Help me mobbing my colleague!!!!

I'm sure i've heard of cases where secret hidden video cameras or tape recorders have been used successfully to as evidence in work disputes, therefore its surprising to learn of its illegality.
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I know you will hate me by the second you read that title and clicked on the thread!
I am not evil or anything like that....I have been mobbed by the 2 of my colleague it has been more than 5 months.

Especially one of them behave like an angel in front of the management team and once we are alone, he treats me like a maid in the office.

Last time we were alone and he took advantage of the situation and started to yell at me and it was scandalous.....I informed the management and none seemed to care about it and they postponed my meeting till another few weeks cause they are under time pressure...

I was convinced that they wont seem to be any solution to my problem. Nobody seems to believe me, since my colleague shows the best image in front of them!

I thought the only solution is to treat him likewise and start mobbing him the way he is....

I dont have this character, do you have any tips on how i can do that?

I cant work, cant concentrate and feel miserable 24 hours on 24!!!
Dress like a cow boy, every day, and chew tobacco, and use his waste paper bin as a spittoon, and when he complains just say, 'Make my day punk! I dare you!' and then make a Hispanic hand gesture which has a colloquial south-American meaning of violating his mother in some way.

Sorted.
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I'm sure i've heard of cases where secret hidden video cameras or tape recorders have been used successfully to as evidence in work disputes, therefore its surprising to learn of its illegality.
It's called "Persönlichkeitsschutz" and is in the "Zivilgesetzbuch". Sorry, I don't have time to find the link - but you can google it. I had to look it up for a friend of mine recently, that's why I am so sure.
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Dress like a cow boy, every day, and chew tobacco, and use his waste paper bin as a spittoon, and when he complains just say, 'Make my day punk! I dare you!' and then make a Hispanic hand gesture which has a colloquial south-American meaning of violating his mother in some way.

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Hahaha Nice!!!

Whats even worse is, even some expats do that over here!
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