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Non-EU wth Swiss Masters - luckless thusfar - why ?

hi ...,
I need some help from some experts here
I got my Master of Science from Switzerland in 2009, in Embedded System design,
Embedded System is a specific area under computer science,

I have great experience in programing specially C++, hardware and software engineering,
and many other related fields,

I also have a bachelor in electronics and communications engineering

Currently I work in the Netherlands but I wish to be back and work in Switzerland,

I found at jobs.ch tens of jobs that greatly match my qualifications and experience and I applied to all of them,

but I did not get any positive feedback, or even any call for an interview!!!

I am pretty sure that my CV is rich and well-written,
So, I am wondering about the reason, why all the feedback I get is so negative,

well, I should say, that I am still newbie in German and moreover I am not an EU citizen,
and I guess this is an important reason,

but are not there some recruiters who can guide me to hunt a job in Switzerland?
especially that I have like 5 years of total experience before and after the master,

any advise is highly appreciated
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Learn German and maybe French. Apply, apply, apply. In the meantime, if possible, get a Dutch passport.

Actually there aren't that many embedded devel jobs. Some companies like Leica Geosystems, Wibrometer or Mettler Toledo have seemingly always some openings in embedded s/w dev but not really sure if they're looking at all.
Next, there is quite many posts in the machine and various equipment industries - these are usually small teams and cooperate closely with other non hw/sw teams, and the local language is a must.
Industry-wise usually telecom and computing platforms employ many embedded/Linux/telecom/protocol engineers. There are few such companies in Switzerland.
You may try your luck with the bigger ones - e.g. in German speaking part ABB, Siemens, or in French speaking part - eg Kudelski/Nagra, Marvell, Cisco, HP.
If you're really in interesting stuff then go to Cambridge, UK - look for CSR, ARM, AD and the likes. There is large job market for DSP, wired an wireless protocols, video and other cool stuff.
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Re: Non-EU wth Swiss Masters - luckless thusfar - why ?

We're looking, but German and English, plus either Italian or French (and preferably both) are a must.

Also, if you are not Swiss or EU, it will be a problem.

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Learn German and maybe French. Apply, apply, apply. In the meantime, if possible, get a Dutch passport.
IF he is not married to a Dutch citizen he has to wait 5 years of uninterrupted living in NL to get the passport. But to the OP do not get discouraged, I am Peruvian and was living and working in the NL and then I got my job here. If you get a lot of experience in NL then it will be easier for you and in the meantime it would be good if you learn German and/or French
Best of luck!

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Re: Non-EU wth Swiss Masters - luckless thusfar - why ?

Hi Angela

I think you meant NL instead of CH:

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Learn German and maybe French. Apply, apply, apply. In the meantime, if possible, get a Dutch passport.
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I studied German few years ago in Geothe institute in Cairo, I had finished all the Grundstufe, and 2 cousrse of the Mittlestufe, but unfortunately as I do not practice it, I almost forgot it.
Actully, one of the reason for me to target Swizerland or Germany is to learn German as I know that it adds a lot to my Career during my stay in Europe,

thanks for the extensive information, I gave a quick look to Wibrometer, indeed that have an interesting position that fairly matches my experience,
i will check all the others this week-end, u gave me some work to do

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IF he is not married to a Dutch citizen he has to wait 5 years of uninterrupted living in CH to get the passport. But to the OP do not get discouraged, I am Peruvian and was living and working in the NL and then I got my job here. If you get a lot of experience in NL then it will be easier for you and in the meantime it would be good if you learn German and/or French
Best of luck!
that is right, but i still need more than 3 years to get the passport,

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We're looking, but German and English, plus either Italian or French (and preferably both) are a must.

Also, if you are not Swiss or EU, it will be a problem.

Tom
well, my German is quite OK, but I need some time to refresh it,
if I stay in a German place I would just need few weeks to be able to efficiently communicate in German.
but any way, unfortunately I do not know any Italian or French, I actually wonder if it is easy to find a developer who knows the 4 languages you mentioned

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Re: Non-EU wth Swiss Masters - luckless thusfar - why ?

I just want to emphasize my question regarding jobs.ch,

is it worthy to spend time applying every day for new Jobs there while getting no positive replies,
or it it better to invest this time to search with a different way or in other smaller websites?
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I just want to emphasize my question regarding jobs.ch,

is it worthy to spend time applying every day for new Jobs there while getting no positive replies,
or it it better to invest this time to search with a different way or in other smaller websites?
Its best to look at multiple sources for jobs, not just one. www.jobs.ch is a very comprehensive site but I found my job elsewhere.
In Switzerland companies seek not only good education but a strong background with other similar or international companies. It can take some time especially when you are in such as specialist field. In relation to development, many companies just outsource this component to India etc, much cheaper. There are probably some companies that still do this in house though, tried Alstom?
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well, my German is quite OK, but I need some time to refresh it,
if I stay in a German place I would just need few weeks to be able to efficiently communicate in German.
I hear that fairly often from people at interviews, usually right after I've tried to say something simple like "Könnten wir jetzt Deutsch reden?" and they start hurriedly covering themselves in English. I'm sorry, but few employers will accept that your language skills are going to be better; they'd rather see that you've already taken the time and effort to improve them through lessons or such. You may be right, and a few weeks may be all you need, but you'll greatly improve your chances if you take the time and effort to improve your German first.
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Re: Non-EU wth Swiss Masters - luckless thusfar - why ?

I heard a man from Phonak give a mind-blowing talk on developing programs (using matlab) for the microcontrollers in their hearing aids. Maybe add them to your list.
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Its best to look at multiple sources for jobs, not just one. www.jobs.ch is a very comprehensive site but I found my job elsewhere.
In Switzerland companies seek not only good education but a strong background with other similar or international companies. It can take some time especially when you are in such as specialist field. In relation to development, many companies just outsource this component to India etc, much cheaper. There are probably some companies that still do this in house though, tried Alstom?
I just checked Alstom, the openings unfortunately do not fit my CV

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I hear that fairly often from people at interviews, usually right after I've tried to say something simple like "Könnten wir jetzt Deutsch reden?" and they start hurriedly covering themselves in English. I'm sorry, but few employers will accept that your language skills are going to be better; they'd rather see that you've already taken the time and effort to improve them through lessons or such. You may be right, and a few weeks may be all you need, but you'll greatly improve your chances if you take the time and effort to improve your German first.

totally agree and understand your point,
i would indeed start this summer an intensive German classes to get rid of such situations,
i just hope that good German would be enough as I cannot be fluent without living for some time in a German speaking country

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I heard a man from Phonak give a mind-blowing talk on developing programs (using matlab) for the microcontrollers in their hearing aids. Maybe add them to your list.
They have some jobs on jobs.ch, but they expect a candidate with fluent German

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