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Salary tips, please.

Ok, so I searched this forum but found nothing useful. Could someone PLEASE give me a few ideas about normal salaries for a few basic jobs?

For example:

1. What is minimum wage? I know there really isn't one, but what is considered lowest amount people can get away with paying you? Is it around 20 CHF an hour? I know a friend who pays her nanny 20 CHF an hour and her teenage babysitter 15 CHF an hour, so that's what I'm assuming.

2. What (roughly) would someone make who:

Works retail full time?
Works at McDonald's full time?
Cleans hotels full time?
Is a nanny or day care worker full time?
Teaches ESL to adults?
Does manual labor, (painting, etc)?


If you don't know for sure, please give me a general idea!!! It would be so helpful.
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Hi Edith,

Since this seems to be your first post - welcome to the forum. Perhaps if you were able to share a little bit more information about who you are, and what you need the info for, the other forum members may be able (and willing) to help you a little more. This would be a better way to ask rather than just presenting a "shopping list" of questions
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Re: Salary tips, please.

I've been here in Switzerland for one year.

I am curious about the minimum wage because I have not been able to get any suggestions from anyone, anywhere...which I find rather odd. So I am making assumptions which makes me feel awkward when discussing salary with a potential employer. I am guessing that if a Nanny makes 20 CHF 'under the table', and a teenage girl 15 CHF a basic minimum wage for an adult would be around 30 CHF an hour.

If I had at least an idea of what is the bottom (I am very clear about the top) I would feel more comfortable securing a job. The truth is, I have no idea, and it makes me very insecure.

I understand no one wants to post **their** salaries, so I was merely asking for a bit of help.

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Re: Salary tips, please.

Oh, and I'm sorryI didn't introduce myself..how rude!

Anyway, I'm Edith..29 years old, from the US..just trying to bumble my way around.
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Re: Salary tips, please.

In a qraphic/3d design related job one can make between CHF 5500-7000 x13 (with kindegarden German). Obviously people can make lot more or lot less.

The kind of jobs you are asking about seem more manual...back breaking type. I honestly have no clue about that type of work but I don't think money is that good. I think if someone is offering you work then ask them what kind of figure they have in mind before you spout out a figure ;-P
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Re: Salary tips, please.

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In a qraphic/3d design related job one can make between CHF 5500-7000 x13 (with kindegarden German). Obviously people can make lot more or lot less.

The kind of jobs you are asking about seem more manual...back breaking type. I honestly have no clue about that type of work but I don't think money is that good. I think if someone is offering you work then ask them what kind of figure they have in mind before you spout out a figure ;-P
Thanks for your answer. I was asking about those jobs so I could gauge where minimum wage sits. I still don't know if it's 13 CHF an hour or 20 CHF or even 30 CHF an hour!

I just want to have some idea!
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Re: Salary tips, please.

That was "g"raphic/3d design design and not "q"raphic
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Edith maybe you could find some other relevant infor here-

http://www.justlanded.com/english/sw...e/jobs/working

http://www.amcham.ch/switzerland/m_l...aw_details.htm

http://www.swissworld.org/eng/swissw...rubricId=11040
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Re: Salary tips, please.

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Thanks for your answer. I was asking about those jobs so I could gauge where minimum wage sits. I still don't know if it's 13 CHF an hour or 20 CHF or even 30 CHF an hour!

I just want to have some idea!
I believe the poverty line is defined in Switzerland as having an income of CHF1700 a month. Social assistance is offered to those people earning below that I think. Although I am happy to be corrected if someone knows better.

As for salaries, I do not know what the averages are for those jobs, sorry.

Finally....Welcome!!

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Old 27.08.2006, 22:24
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Re: Salary tips, please.

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Thanks for your answer. I was asking about those jobs so I could gauge where minimum wage sits. I still don't know if it's 13 CHF an hour or 20 CHF or even 30 CHF an hour!
Well it also depends on whether the minimum wage applies to you or not? What kind of job will you be looking for, and what skills do you have? Have you already worked in Switzerland before, and if so were you paid well?
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Hi Edith,

Well I can't gve you an exact answer to your question, but while I was still working as a barmaid I earned approximately CHF 17 per hour after all the deductables and that is pretty much the going rate here... Of course it depends whether you are doing a skilled or a more non-skilled job. Hope that helps
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Re: Salary tips, please.

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I believe the poverty line is defined in Switzerland as having an income of CHF1700 a month. Social assistance is offered to those people earning below that I think. Although I am happy to be corrected if someone knows better.
From Swissinfo:

The bread line is defined by a net monhtly income of SFr2,480 ($2,053) for a single person and SFr4,600 for a family with two children.

Article about poverty and welfare where I got the info
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Re: Salary tips, please.

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From Swissinfo:

The bread line is defined by a net monhtly income of SFr2,480 ($2,053) for a single person and SFr4,600 for a family with two children.

Article about poverty and welfare where I got the info

Interesting, I got my figure from the famous book: "Living and Working in Switzerland"!!

Clearly they were a bit too stingy in my book!!

Thanks for the info.
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Thanks for the responses, guys. The barmaid wage gave me a very good example. I think I am getting a general idea.

I would rather keep personal information off of a public forum. That is why I am not discussing my own situation and just wondering about minimum wage (which is a totally open and set subject in the US, don't quite get why it isn't here). I would assume people in non-skilled labor positions make around the same amount of money here, as they do everywhere else.

In trying to figure out what I should ask for myself I need to have an idea of both ends of the spectrum. I know people in all kinds of jobs, but am wondering about the bottom so I can see the range!

I am now assuming bare minimum is 15-20 CHF an hour.
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Are those minimum / month quotes before or after taxes and other deductions?
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Old 28.08.2006, 09:28
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Bare minimum BEFORE any deductions should be around CHF 20.- Careful you don't sell yourself short. I would actually recommend you aim more for CHF 25.- I used to be paid that amount while temping as a receptionist. Just to help you a little more (maybe) our cleaner receives CHF 30.- but she is responsible for all her tax deductables etc. As you know, bare minimum is really not set, but try to make sure you don't go below CHF 20.- before deductions
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Re: Salary tips, please.

Perhaps the work may be paid daily, not hourly. It's basically a matter of how much you need the work and what you'll do to get any money. I have a 'friend' who willingly did 13 hours work for 100chf a day. Tough, but necessary. If it's totally unskilled, casual work, don't expect much, especially if it's cash in hand / 'Schwarz'. Just make sure you're paid at the end of each work day, and not at the end of the week, month etc. Office work will ALWAYS be more comfortable and better paid, but you'll have to pay tax, contributions etc. 18-25CHF is a fair range. 30CHf for unskilled work would be generous and unusual.

It's a total bummer selling yourself short, but it's a necessary Evil. It's not all Cayennes and ski weekends in Switzerland

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Re: Salary tips, please.

I don't think there is an "official" minimum wage here.

I've done about 350 different jobs in the last 6 years since I've been here!

Wages seem to be a bit higher in the German part, then...

I currently work in the local cinémas - as a cashier and in the offices.

When I work as a cashier I earn 16.-/hr (after a wage increase!)
In the offices I earn 20.-/hr.

This is without taking into consideration the fact that I work every evening and weekend (no bonuses etc. for crap working hours).

I've also worked on a vinyard. I was paid 13.-/hr.

For bar work in general, I usually earn around 13.- - 18.- /hr.

For working at the bob sleigh run last Christmas, I earned 28.- /hr (I have to say this was the worst job I've ever done in my life!)

I've posed naked for art classes. Can't remember the exact tarif but I remember that it was a lot!

For being an au pair, I earned 1000.- /month but I could live in, so no food, bills, rent etc.

I've worked in a boutique where I earned 20.- /hr

Babysitting - anywhere between 7.- (this is no joke!) and 12.- an hour.

I can honestly say that since I've been here, I've only earned over 3000.- in a month, twice. And that was for working all over Christmas and New Year and working things like 21 days in a row...

I'm now paid on commission only as I meet with people for free, so it's difficult to gage exactly how much that would come to an hour, but I much prefer that than the 4000 other jobs I've had.

Hope this lot helps!!!

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Re: Salary tips, please.

Hey there..thanks so much! That's exactly what I was looking for.
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Re: Salary tips, please.

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I'd just like to add that I have a University degree and I'm perfectly bilingual (Fr/En)
Well, good to know there are others out there! There're a lot of big earners here, especially in ZH, and it's hard to reconcile your experiences and education with the fact that you're not getting the chance to fulfill your potental and have one of those snazzy suits from Boss.

Sure sounds, however, that there seems to be a higher mean 'minimum' in ZH compared to the west of the country. Personally, I think Frank Sinatra had it all wrong: it's easy to make it in New York, but Switzerland really tests your resolve!
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