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Hello, I am currently looking for a job in Vaud after moving in with my partner from EU17, myself from EU8 with a valid residence permit. I have worked in finance controlling and consulting in multinational companies and am ACCA qualified. I have already sent quite some CVs (8 months), usually apply to the jobs that are very closely matching my background and experience but most of my applications are left without response or I get sort of responses like "your profile does not match the position", "you are overqualified", "the job has been moved to Russia". If I try to talk to some authorities such as regional placement office about the issue or to recruitment agencies, I get silent treatment or they avoid another contact with me. Is this normal in Switzerland? Can I do something about it? I am really confused about the whole situation and have serious doubts whether to stay in Switzerland at which I always looked with a lot of respect, if I leave then I will be leaving also my partner but I believe we have the right for a private and family life. Can anyone shed some light to this?
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Hello, I am currently looking for a job in Vaud after moving in with my partner from EU17, myself from EU8 with a valid residence permit. I have worked in finance controlling and consulting in multinational companies and am ACCA qualified. I have already sent quite some CVs (8 months), usually apply to the jobs that are very closely matching my background and experience but most of my applications are left without response or I get sort of responses like "your profile does not match the position", "you are overqualified", "the job has been moved to Russia". If I try to talk to some authorities such as regional placement office about the issue or to recruitment agencies, I get silent treatment or they avoid another contact with me. Is this normal in Switzerland? Can I do something about it? I am really confused about the whole situation and have serious doubts whether to stay in Switzerland at which I always looked with a lot of respect, if I leave then I will be leaving also my partner but I believe we have the right for a private and family life. Can anyone shed some light to this?
I'm sure you do have the right to family life but you don't havevthe right to a job I'm afraid. You just have to keep trying, or leave as you say.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Mike, why do you think I do not have the right to the job? Perhaps you are not talking about the legal right?
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Some light, right...how to do it without sounding harsh. Yes, it is normal. You just didn't make the cut. Probably because there will be hundreds of people applying for the same work. I am not sure what your language knowledge is, either, an if nationality has something to do with it, there are preferences that employers have and that we have no chance to contest. Also, read up on the CV format. If you just send a CV by email, which looks like it is not tailored for the job, it will be pitched. Use the search function here and see. I wish you lotsa luck! 8mo, by the way, is quite common.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Both Mike & MusicChick gave you good answers.

I'll just add that there is a good chance that age is one reason you are not getting called. People who have the hardest time are middle aged women. If your biography is correct and you are middle aged, that doesn't help you in the job market. In fact, it's potentially a hinderance as companies have to pay more to hire older people.

I don't know what kind of work you do but you might want to consider doing freelance or starting a business. Either way, good luck!
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

One statistic that I have heard a few times (including from a recruiter) is that the average waiting time before finding a job corresponds more or less to the salary range you are looking at, divided by ten.

So: looking at jobs in the 100K bracket, average wait = 10 months. Looking in the 80K bracket, average wait = 8 months.

I have just become unemployed (second year running in June) and am hoping that those statistics are wrong...
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Thank you, Mia...could be the point as I was told on two occassions that the company preferred more junior candidate. Although I think that the age in general should not be the issue as long as one is ready to take on lower paid jobs and is ready to compromise in terms of lower position, but that is my perception and could be completely different from the other side. It was actually the agency who suggested higher range for me and obviously I was perfectly happy about it. Then once we both realized this might be an issue they stopped communicating with me. I felt very awkward.
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One statistic that I have heard a few times (including from a recruiter) is that the average waiting time before finding a job corresponds more or less to the salary range you are looking at, divided by ten.

So: looking at jobs in the 100K bracket, average wait = 10 months. Looking in the 80K bracket, average wait = 8 months.

I have just become unemployed (second year running in June) and am hoping that those statistics are wrong...
Yeah, I hope they are just average statistics...good luck and hope you find a new job very very soon!
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Try in neighboring France, as well. If you partner has a job here, it is better to work in France for you than have no job at all. I wouldn't look too much into the reasons why you haven't heard from the companies, but have a close look at your cover letter and CV. Also, realize that by law, companies have to also hire local work force, and if those candidates are exhausted, only then they offer work to foreigners. Don 't despair, and network, volunteer, you will get connections. Send CVs only in the morning and then evening, in between, I would work on expanding my social network.
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I was told on two occassions that the company preferred more junior candidate.
This is very common. "Talent acquisition" people seem to have trouble accepting that at a certain age, candidates don't necessarily want to keep going higher and higher with ever more responsibility, but would be perfectly happy doing a lower paid, lower profile job that just pays the rent and funds our leisure activities.
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Although I think that the age in general should not be the issue as long as one is ready to take on lower paid jobs and is ready to compromise in terms of lower position, but that is my perception and could be completely different from the other side.
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Pension costs are higher as the person gets older, in Switzerland people earn more because of age rather than ability.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Have you tried calling companies to speak to the people after you've been rejected. Sometimes you get them and they will give you a full rundown on why you've not been successful.

emails are easy to ignore, if you call they're sometimes more open about reasons why they don't hire people.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Thank you all for valuable advice! It keeps me going and with new ideas on how to continue with my search.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

@gema

the only time you should start to worry about WHY you are not getting a job is when you are consistently doing interviews and keep getting rejected - the rest of the time is just sometimes bizarre decisions from companies - lets be honest most dont have a f--king clue when it comes to hiring - be wary of employers who say they cannot find the right staff (much like girls who say they cannot find a boyfriend - they are too fussy or just plain crap)
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Thank you all for valuable advice! It keeps me going and with new ideas on how to continue with my search.
Another piece of advice:

1. I would have never got my last job if I only apply for roles that I am qualified for. The reality works like this:
- person worked in a job for years, is now overqualified and finds a better job.
- boss writes job description that matches the CV of the last employee
- HR inflates the JD on top of that
= The role and salary are ALWAYS a bit lower than the job description. If you have 100% of what they ask for are you ALWAYS overqualified.

If you even get this explicit feedback - aim higher. That does not mean that you need to start applying for the CEO and MD jobs out there, just a bit higher than what you did before.

2. Broaden your search. Especially smaller companies are more flexible: When the boss sees a good CV will he be able to change the role a bit to make it a match.

I know what I am talking about as I am currently hiring and receive some 20 CVs a day - so we are talking hundreds of applications for the same role. None of them had ALL the stuff I asked for... and if I see somebody that does not fit the role description but the company and my team overall would I invite him anyway - and so did my boss when he hired me.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

having worked next to HR teams a number of times in my life I realise it is far more random than people would believe

I think there was some research done where instead of interviews and scanning application cvs and letters the candidates were chosen randomly and they fitted the jobs BETTER than those chosen the traditional route

anyway the only thing thats of consolation is that you can match a job perfectly but if the employer thinks you will not fit in well you wont get the job offer - witnessed this several times...of course this works the other way as I have been to a hnumber of interviews where i thought the boss was crazy, disorganised, a nasty pice of work etc etc
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

I think it's quite sad that there aren't age discrimination laws in place here in CH (as there are, for example, in the U.S.). It's also sad that employers are allowed to request photos of applicants, which I think only encourages racial and age discrimination.

So I can definitely understand why someone would feel discouraged and frustrated while trying to find a job here.

To the OP -- I sincerely wish you much luck in finding a job soon!
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I think it's quite sad that there aren't age discrimination laws in place here in CH (as there are, for example, in the U.S.). It's also sad that employers are allowed to request photos of applicants, which I think only encourages racial and age discrimination.
Well Switzerland has laws protecting older members of the workforce. They get a higher salary. They get more holidays. The employer has to pay more for their pension fund.

So they don't get hired, if there is a younger (= cheaper) alternative that's suitable. Simple.
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Re: Still looking for a job but no response - why?

Great advice folks - but the original post is a year old already, so he/she might not be reading it anymore.
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