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Help with RAV (Basel)

Hi, I have a meeting with the RAV in Basel as I am unemployed, the lady who has made the appointment for me suggested I take someone with me who speaks German. As I have not been here long and many of my friends do not speak German, I am running out of the options and would like to know of other people's experience of the RAV in Basel i.e. has anyone been? If so, if you didn't speak German, did you take someone else with you? If you went on your own only speaking English was you able to converse? Any recommendations/help would be gratefully received.

I am learning German, but I do not know enough to hold my own in this situation is I had too.

Thank you in advance for your help

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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

Being able to speak German is definitely an advantage, but I know people who have managed their first meeting without.

The first meeting is essentially form filling and assigning your caseworker. There are some caseworkers in Basel that speak some English, so with luck you'll be assigned one (it's not guaranteed).

I found the whole registering with RAV thing to be unintimidating and that everyone I dealt with were only interested in helping me. So do let that be one less worry.

If you don't find someone to come with you then you can "Rent a Rentner" (pensioner) at http://www.rentarentner.ch (you might need a german speaker to help.) Here you can get a list of available pensioners along with the languages they speak. They would be an ideal person to take along.

If you really can't get someone then, don't sweat it. Between you you'll manage.
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

For your initial consult there, definitely bring a German speaker. I signed on twice with RAV, the first time the girl spoke no English - and seemed to not understand it, either. I brought a colleague with me who translated for me, and as I was telling him things, she had the deer in the headlight look that I would get with German when I first moved to Switzerland and stare at him for a translation.

The second time I went for an initial consult, the girl spoke perfect English and my colleague wasn't needed (but he stayed anyway, just in case something came up that was confusing).

With luck, you'll get assigned to someone who speaks English and is comfortable to do so with you at your monthly meetings. Both times I went with the same person, but I believe she's probably retired now (she mentioned when I was leaving that she was retiring soon, this was a bit over a year ago).

The rent a pensioner thing is fantastic, I've not seen that before. Wish I'd known about it when I was there!
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Hi, I have a meeting with the RAV in Basel as I am unemployed, the lady who has made the appointment for me suggested I take someone with me who speaks German. As I have not been here long and many of my friends do not speak German, I am running out of the options and would like to know of other people's experience of the RAV in Basel i.e. has anyone been? If so, if you didn't speak German, did you take someone else with you? If you went on your own only speaking English was you able to converse? Any recommendations/help would be gratefully received.

I am learning German, but I do not know enough to hold my own in this situation is I had too.

Thank you in advance for your help

Brian
I'll be in Basel this week and possibly next week and I could translate for you. When is your meeting?
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

I have been in CH many years & speak very little German. About 5 years ago I went with a translator. The RAV women was very anti foreigner & said I would be kicked out of the country after 100 days if I did not have a full time job! I had a C permit at the time , my Swiss girlfriend (translator) made a big scene, got my advisor changed. In the end I was BANNED from taking a translator as there was always a 'cat' fight. They always find me someone who wants to practice their English with me!

I have actally been with the RAV ever since, currently on my 3rd Rahmenfrist, I do a bit of freelance work so never use my 400 days.
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

Thanks for all your replies, Ive sent a PM and hopefully it will all go swimmingly!

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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

Sorry for the ignorance ,

what the RAV can do for the people and what it is for ?
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Sorry for the ignorance ,

what the RAV can do for the people and what it is for ?
unemployment bureau
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Sorry for the ignorance ,

what the RAV can do for the people and what it is for ?
As W-Maximus said, it is unemployment office, what they can do depends upon a lot of things.

They can help you find a job, they administer benefits to those who qualify (and need), they also can provide direction on who to contact with regard to certifications (both work certs and educational certs / degrees) you may have received in countries where you worked previously.

How much they can do / how willing they are to help depends upon how long you've been here, whether you've tried for employment already, so on and so forth.


To the OP, good luck on your meeting!
For me, I took a translator which worked out great as the woman assigned to me couldn't speak any English (it so happens that she could speak Spanish though as she's originally from a Spanish-speaking area).
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

I was told at the RAV in Zurich when I went to register that they are not
allowed to speak english.
Apparently this is a RAV policy now and they have strict instructions
from senior management not to speak english.
Strange as their info day for non German speakers is conducted in
english anyway.
So my RAV consultant speaks german and I reply in english which seems to be working OK, as I can understand a lot of what she is saying.
Other than that I just nod my head and say OK.
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

Basel RAV sounds a lot more pleasant that Zürich RAV.
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I was told at the RAV in Zurich when I went to register that they are not
allowed to speak english.
Apparently this is a RAV policy now and they have strict instructions
from senior management not to speak english.
Strange as their info day for non German speakers is conducted in
english anyway.
So my RAV consultant speaks german and I reply in english which seems to be working OK, as I can understand a lot of what she is saying.
Other than that I just nod my head and say OK.
I think they are instructed not to speak English, however it's far easier for them to do so. They refused to give me a French course (50% of my freelance work is in Geneva) & threatened a German course. After 5 years the only course I have done is CV writing! My newest RAV consultant thought as a photographer I should just show pictures like on my website! & drop all the 'written crap'!

As I have a legal requirement to do any work offered, I am not available to do long courses, I even missed half of the CV course the second time having missed the whole thing first time round!

Generally it starts off with them speaking German & replying in English, however within 2 minutes it's 100% English & has been for my last 3 consultants, Email replies always in English as well!
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

My German's OK, but not great for complex stuff.

My caseworker and I agreed that she would talk/write in German and I would talk/write in English. I was offered a 3 month intensive German course and an IT re-skilling course after that (I found a job before I finshed the German course, so never took up the other course).

As long as I showed willing to look for work, she went out of her way to make my life as easy as possible.

I know quite a few people who have been through the RAV process in Basel and I've never heard any horror stories like you seem to get from other places.
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My German's OK, but not great for complex stuff.

My caseworker and I agreed that she would talk/write in German and I would talk/write in English. I was offered a 3 month intensive German course and an IT re-skilling course after that (I found a job before I finshed the German course, so never took up the other course).

As long as I showed willing to look for work, she went out of her way to make my life as easy as possible.

I know quite a few people who have been through the RAV process in Basel and I've never heard any horror stories like you seem to get from other places.
I'm glad for you, the woman who was assigned to me, while being sympathetic, was not able to give me any direct help... no language classes, no job seeking classes, nothing. She said the reason is because I've been here for so long without seeking employment until "now."

(I think for my case, I'm going to need to go through a women's help center or something. )
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I'm glad for you, the woman who was assigned to me, while being sympathetic, was not able to give me any direct help... no language classes, no job seeking classes, nothing. She said the reason is because I've been here for so long without seeking employment until "now."

(I think for my case, I'm going to need to go through a women's help center or something. )
Go to K5 for German classes.
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I was told at the RAV in Zurich when I went to register that they are not
allowed to speak english.

Apparently this is a RAV policy now and they have strict instructions
from senior management not to speak english.
Strange as their info day for non German speakers is conducted in
english anyway.
So my RAV consultant speaks german and I reply in english which seems to be working OK, as I can understand a lot of what she is saying.
Other than that I just nod my head and say OK.
Which one was that? The RAV I went to (near Sihl City) volunteered an English speaking advisor when I registered. Our first meeting kicked off with him apologising for his basic English then proceeded to talk like he was born into it.

I didn't even ask for an English speaker and would have been happy with their normal battalion of German speakers. I just got the impression they wanted to show their support and make me feel comfortable.
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Go to K5 for German classes.
I'd recommend them too. I enjoyed my time there.


Well, except for one bad morning....
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

Hi, I know this post is old, but I found it on google and I am curious about some things.

How did you all qualify to get help from the RAV? Because I tried to sign-in into the system but they said that, because I have never worked here before, I did not qualify and that they could not help me. Next thing I know, I got a letter from them, informing me that I was eliminated from the system. So I wonder, did you all come to Switzerland with jobs, worked, paid into the system and therefore were eligible for help after being unemployed?

I am from Southamerica and got married to a Swiss, but haven't been able to find a job so far. We went to the RAV, not expecting any money of course because I haven't worked here before, but thinking maybe they could give us some counseling, advice, or anything. Their answer was clear "It is a middle class problem". And no, not a clue of English.

Anyway, what I mean to ask is...is it true that I do not qualify or are they just trying to get rid of me? Was anyone else in a similar situation?

Thank you very much
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And no, not a clue of English.

Anyway, what I mean to ask is...is it true that I do not qualify or are they just trying to get rid of me? Was anyone else in a similar situation?

Thank you very much
Yes is true, you do not qualify. Btw, ad RAV in Basel I had advice in English and even in Italian, so maybe you could try again asking for info/advice.
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Re: Help with RAV (Basel)

Dear estiqaatsi, thank you very much

Well, language was not a problem because my husband is from Basel and he did all the translating. But as I read on one of the previous comments, the girl with us was looking at me like a scared deer whenever I said something in English

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