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Old 24.06.2011, 15:17
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I have a strong feeling that I will be fired tomorrow if I go into work. The senior managers had a meeting about my status and shortly afterwards, I saw my boss sitting with the HR manager.

My 3 month probationary period is over on July 1st. I am not a terrible employee, but I am terribly unconcentrated when one of the gruffer managers comes over to shout at me. He is the one who is driving all of this, but I get along with my boss extremely well.

The question is - if I take a stress leave of a week, how will this change my situation? Can they fire me by e-mail? I have some interviews lined up, but need as much money as I can get, and don't want to lose any vacation pay that I might get.

Any ideas or suggestions?
Yeah.....take it as a man and move on.
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Old 24.06.2011, 15:42
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Yeah.....take it as a man and move on.
Umm, I think he's a she
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Probably should leave one of the jobs or possibly both off your CV, unless you can get the company to say that you only had a temporary job on your reference.

I wasn't talking about CVs, it's not as easy as that...

I was talking about "employment record" here in Switzerland, if I'm not mistaken, employers have to, by law, give you a record of your former job, description and usually if you're not complimented there or for example if it's not said you're an efficient worker or something like that. It sounds fishy to them and what they do is phone your former employment to ask for details...

So yeah, not as easy....
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Old 24.06.2011, 16:32
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Let's see if the OP comes back before she wants to rant about her next job...
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Old 24.06.2011, 17:11
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I wasn't talking about CVs, it's not as easy as that...

I was talking about "employment record" here in Switzerland, if I'm not mistaken, employers have to, by law, give you a record of your former job, description and usually if you're not complimented there or for example if it's not said you're an efficient worker or something like that. It sounds fishy to them and what they do is phone your former employment to ask for details...

So yeah, not as easy....
There is no central emploment record. The employer has to give you a refrence, if the job was of short duration just forget about it. If you don't give details, there is nobody to call up!
An ex-boss, he was my boss for 5 months 10 yeras ago, that job does not show up on his CV, he was fired without notice, what I could not understand how he got through his 3 months trial. He worke for the government for the previous 10 years.....
I know someone who was overqualified for a job that he really wanted, I suggested he dropped the 'Dr' bit, the look on his silly little face, neeless to say he did not get the job. Your CV needs to match what they are looking for!
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Old 25.06.2011, 08:33
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Umm, I think he's a she
I think that too but sometimes the "she" is much better at the "take it as a man" thing than the "he".......
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Old 25.06.2011, 08:49
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I wasn't talking about CVs, it's not as easy as that...

I was talking about "employment record" here in Switzerland, if I'm not mistaken, employers have to, by law, give you a record of your former job, description and usually if you're not complimented there or for example if it's not said you're an efficient worker or something like that. It sounds fishy to them and what they do is phone your former employment to ask for details...

So yeah, not as easy....
Employers are required by law to provide you a work certificate, Zeugnis in German. Thereis no statute of limitations either. I am still fighting my former employer from 7 years ago.

They do not have to write a work certificate if you were there less
than 3 months. I.e. You all parted ways during the probation period.
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Old 25.06.2011, 09:26
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Employers are required by law to provide you a work certificate, Zeugnis in German. Thereis no statute of limitations either. I am still fighting my former employer from 7 years ago.
After 7 years it's seems like most things in Switzerland it's negotiable! and would appear not enforceable in practice!
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After 7 years it's seems like most things in Switzerland it's negotiable! and would appear not enforceable in practice!
It is enforceable, and the courts have sided with me. There
is no limit to receiving a work certificate. An exception would
be, perhaps, if the company is not in business anymore.
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Old 25.06.2011, 10:33
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Re: Fired while on probationary period

Any kind of happy ending to this story or perhaps they confiscated post probation period OP's laptop and no chance for further feedback
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Old 25.06.2011, 12:05
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It is enforceable, and the courts have sided with me. There
is no limit to receiving a work certificate. An exception would
be, perhaps, if the company is not in business anymore.
With all due respect it's not much use if you have not received it after 7 years! Unless they can be compelled to pay your full salary until they comply it would seem in practice to be unenforceable.

How long will you wait, 50 years ?
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Old 25.06.2011, 12:34
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With all due respect it's not much use if you have not received it after 7 years! Unless they can be compelled to pay your full salary until they comply it would seem in practice to be unenforceable.

How long will you wait, 50 years ?
I have a court order requiring them to provide a proper work certificate
AND pay the salary.

You are just not right on this one.
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Old 25.06.2011, 17:01
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I have a court order requiring them to provide a proper work certificate
AND pay the salary.

You are just not right on this one.
So your saying they will pay you full salary for 7 years that you have not worked. If they do then I am indeed wrong, sounds good to me, it's the sort pf job I would like!
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Old 25.06.2011, 21:37
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Re: Fired while on probationary period

They are paying my three months salary that they owe for my notice period plus 5% interest for 7 years, giving a good work certificate, and
paying my attorney's fees.
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Old 25.06.2011, 21:52
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They are paying my three months salary that they owe for my notice period plus 5% interest for 7 years, giving a good work certificate, and
paying my attorney's fees.
Contractual salary always gets paid even if the company goes bankrupt. As you have had to wait 7 years for an important piece of paper, the company has done it's best to screw you & without any financial penalty. I suspect it was put down to a missunderstanging!

I assume you know about coded work certificates, & that it was written to your fullest satisfaction.
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Old 25.06.2011, 22:31
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I am still fighting my former employer from 7 years ago.
Is there really a point after 7 years, I'd have gotten board a long time ago. I've been here 21 years, worked for 6 different employers and never bothered to get a reference from any of them...

Four years ago when I joined well know multinational I was asked by HR for references and I just told them, "Sorry I don't have any" and that was an end to it.

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Old 25.06.2011, 23:06
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Is there really a point after 7 years, I'd have gotten board a long time ago. I've been here 21 years, worked for 6 different employers and never bothered to get a reference from any of them...

Four years ago when I joined well know multinational I was asked by HR for references and I just told them, "Sorry I don't have any" and that was an end to it.

Jim.
To make him pay the salary that he owes me plus 5% per year for 7 years. In addition, there are the attorney's fees. I was let go
illegally, and it was more about the point than the money.
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Old 26.06.2011, 03:04
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Well, I'll be honest, if it were me who was being let go during my probationary period, I'd be disappointed (not surprised, I'm not the easiest person in the world) but I wouldn't fight it - the alternative is to plant yourself with people who don't want you. What a nightmare. If someone wants you gone, go. If you try and do over a large bank or similar through deception they have the power and resources to screw you to the wall for the rest of your life.
Rest of your life? What the **** are you on about economisto? There's life after Banking especially if you leave the beaurocracy of Swiss HR traditions.

You are a 'double hard bar steward', although I'm not sure about the double hard part. I'm sure you'll take it as a compliment.

Swiss employment law is non-existent. If they want to fire you for no reason after 40 years of exemplary work performance for economic (or any other) reason there is no law to stop them (unless there is a clause to the contrary in your contract. which is inlikely for a new starter).
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Getting mobbed once is bad luck. Getting mobbed twice in a row begins to become doubtful. Getting mobbed 3 times in a row...it's you. If the companies were female/foreigner unfriendly, they never would have hired the OP.

I get the feeling, from this thread and the original thread, that the OP is qualified, but either incompetent or incapable of fitting into a team here. This "OMG, they are going to fire me, they can't do that, I'll sue them blah blah" is the kind of paranoia that fits this pattern.

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I get the feeling, from this thread and the original thread, that the OP is qualified, but either incompetent or incapable of fitting into a team here. This "OMG, they are going to fire me, they can't do that, I'll sue them blah blah" is the kind of paranoia that fits this pattern.
Do we even know if she got fired? I've been reading the entire thread and can't make it out..
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