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mishimishi 23.06.2011 21:36

Fired while on probationary period
 
hi

I have a strong feeling that I will be fired tomorrow if I go into work. The senior managers had a meeting about my status and shortly afterwards, I saw my boss sitting with the HR manager.

My 3 month probationary period is over on July 1st. I am not a terrible employee, but I am terribly unconcentrated when one of the gruffer managers comes over to shout at me. He is the one who is driving all of this, but I get along with my boss extremely well.

The question is - if I take a stress leave of a week, how will this change my situation? Can they fire me by e-mail? I have some interviews lined up, but need as much money as I can get, and don't want to lose any vacation pay that I might get.

Any ideas or suggestions?

fatmanfilms 23.06.2011 21:57

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Originally Posted by mishimishi (Post 1238928)
hi

I have a strong feeling that I will be fired tomorrow if I go into work. The senior managers had a meeting about my status and shortly afterwards, I saw my boss sitting with the HR manager.

My 3 month probationary period is over on July 1st. I am not a terrible employee, but I am terribly unconcentrated when one of the gruffer managers comes over to shout at me. He is the one who is driving all of this, but I get along with my boss extremely well.

The question is - if I take a stress leave of a week, how will this change my situation? Can they fire me by e-mail? I have some interviews lined up, but need as much money as I can get, and don't want to lose any vacation pay that I might get.

Any ideas or suggestions?

They can fire you when you return, the notice period will be a month, rather than a week, so if your not at work at the end of this month you would probably be paid untill the end of August.
Have you worked before in CH over the last 24 months? if so you may be entitled to unemployment pay.

mishimishi 23.06.2011 21:59

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oh, I can use that extra time to find another job and can really use the extra pay.

thanks. I have a super rapid hearbeat and have problems sleeping.

mishimishi 23.06.2011 22:01

Re: Fired while on probationary period
 
I have but only for a 6 month contract, so I don't have enough accumulated time for unemployment, but I really appreciate you asking.

It feels nice to think that someone cares.

Guest 23.06.2011 22:03

Re: Fired while on probationary period
 
This post might interest you. :)

NSchulzi 23.06.2011 22:04

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Get ye to a doctor, mishimishi!

fatmanfilms 23.06.2011 22:05

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Originally Posted by mishimishi (Post 1238964)
I have but only for a 6 month contract, so I don't have enough accumulated time for unemployment, but I really appreciate you asking.

It feels nice to think that someone cares.

you need a minimium of 12 months in the last 24. Do I understand that you have worked 6 months + potentially 5 with your current job? If so you just need to get a tempory job for a month even if the pay is bad!

mishimishi 23.06.2011 22:07

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This post might interest you. :)
does that include the probationary period? I might as well try as I have nothing to lose, and am feeling ill anyway as I need my tonsils removed.

mishimishi 23.06.2011 22:09

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1238969)
you need a minimium of 12 months in the last 24. Do I understand that you have worked 6 months + potentially 5 with your current job? If so you just need to get a tempory job for a month even if the pay is bad!


I thought they had increased it to 18 months of work needed for unemployment just recently

mishimishi 23.06.2011 22:11

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thank you everyone for your support and help. I really appreciate it. Time to go cry in my beer so I am logging off. Have a nice evening everyone.

fatmanfilms 23.06.2011 22:12

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Originally Posted by mishimishi (Post 1238977)
I thought they had increased it to 18 months of work needed for unemployment just recently

12 months will give you 240 days 18 months gives you 400 days

adrianlondon 23.06.2011 22:15

Re: Fired while on probationary period
 
You're not very lucky, are you.

http://www.englishforum.ch/complaint...ation-ubs.html

You're gonna end up with quite a damaged employment record if you're not careful. As was already correctly suggested above, go see your doctor, explain the situation, and take it from there.

messi10 24.06.2011 12:55

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Hey mimishi, sorry to hear about your experience with UBS, I wish you good luck, truly.


That said, let me also say that it looks terrible on your work record to have had a bad experience with UBS. I know it's not really positive advice, but is what it is... perhaps you will find it difficult looking for work in CH after this experience... indeed something to consider in future.

But alas, good luck!!!

fatmanfilms 24.06.2011 13:38

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Originally Posted by messi10 (Post 1239613)
Hey mimishi, sorry to hear about your experience with UBS, I wish you good luck, truly.


That said, let me also say that it looks terrible on your work record to have had a bad experience with UBS. I know it's not really positive advice, but is what it is... perhaps you will find it difficult looking for work in CH after this experience... indeed something to consider in future.

But alas, good luck!!!

Probably should leave one of the jobs or possibly both off your CV, unless you can get the company to say that you only had a temporary job on your reference.

Mica 24.06.2011 14:22

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Originally Posted by fatmanfilms (Post 1238959)
They can fire you when you return, the notice period will be a month, rather than a week, so if your not at work at the end of this month you would probably be paid untill the end of August.

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Originally Posted by Nicolaschulz (Post 1238968)
Get ye to a doctor, mishimishi!

If you attempt to run out the clock on the probationary period by being "ill", have another look at Art. 335b para. 3 CO. The probationary period gets extended, so the notice period remains 7 days. Also, during the probationary period your employer can terminate your employment even if you are ill, pregnant, in the military, etc. (check Art. 336c which says that these safeguards apply only after ther probationary period has run out).

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This post might interest you. :)
Nope. That only applies to terminations after the probationary period has expired...

24.06.2011 14:46

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I read your previous thread, where you had problems with UBS. The one where you groaned all the people who tried to help. Now you're trying to lie (commit fraud) to get around a legitimate action by your employer.


Adrianlondon believes you are "unlucky". People make their own luck. Look to yourself. I'm rooting for your employer - how unfortunate they are to have employed you.

phdoofus 24.06.2011 14:54

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Originally Posted by economisto (Post 1239826)
Adrianlondon believes you are "unlucky". People make their own luck. Look to yourself. I'm rooting for your employer - how unfortunate they are to have employed you.

After reading both threads, I confess I can't help but think that, quite honestly. It makes very little sense why an employer would to go to all the trouble of interviewing someone and hiring them only to turn around and make their life hell just to get rid of them. Now that we have two examples of being 'unlucky', one can't help imagine that there's more to this story than what we're getting.

24.06.2011 14:57

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Originally Posted by phdoofus (Post 1239844)
After reading both threads, I confess I can't help but think that, quite honestly. It makes very little sense why an employer would to go to all the trouble of interviewing someone and hiring them only to turn around and make their life hell just to get rid of them. Now that we have two examples of being 'unlucky', one can't help imagine that there's more to this story than what we're getting.

Well, I'll be honest, if it were me who was being let go during my probationary period, I'd be disappointed (not surprised, I'm not the easiest person in the world) but I wouldn't fight it - the alternative is to plant yourself with people who don't want you. What a nightmare. If someone wants you gone, go. If you try and do over a large bank or similar through deception they have the power and resources to screw you to the wall for the rest of your life.

Treverus 24.06.2011 15:10

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Originally Posted by mishimishi (Post 1238928)
hi

I have a strong feeling that I will be fired tomorrow if I go into work. The senior managers had a meeting about my status and shortly afterwards, I saw my boss sitting with the HR manager.

My 3 month probationary period is over on July 1st. I am not a terrible employee, but I am terribly unconcentrated when one of the gruffer managers comes over to shout at me. He is the one who is driving all of this, but I get along with my boss extremely well.

Any ideas or suggestions?

Just for the record: In Swiss companies is it totally normal that at the end of the probation period your manager sits together with HR and discusses your employment.

You say that you are getting along with your boss extremely well... so: What makes you believe that they want to fire you?

Maybe - just maybe - there is no problem and you are causing one? I am not a specialist on probation periods, but I thought that any form of leave prolongs it? I once agreed with a new employer that I will take an already planned vacation during my first month of work - something normally not done. The probation period was therefore prolonged for two weeks at the end.

bigblue2 24.06.2011 15:13

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So OP, its now tomorrow, where you fired?


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