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Notice Period before starting a new job

I'm looking for a job and have three options. Ideally I would like to compare all offers but each employer wants me to start within a max of one month. Is it normal that employers insist on new staff starting so quickly? How about people who have a notice period of two or three months in their contract? How do they manage to find a new job under these circumstances?
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I'm looking for a job and have three options. Ideally I would like to compare all offers but each employer wants me to start within a max of one month. Is it normal that employers insist on new staff starting so quickly? How about people who have a notice period of two or three months in their contract? How do they manage to find a new job under these circumstances?
tell them that work won't let you quit until x months...
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tell them that work won't let you quit until x months...
yes, and risk ending up with nothing :-(
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yes, and risk ending up with nothing :-(
Talk to the HR in the new company and explain that you have a notice period of so & so months as stipulated by the contract.
As HR, they would know the rules and if they really really want you, you will arrive at some sort of an understanding.
If possible, you could also talk to your current bosses and negotiate based on vacations left if any, or overtime, if any.
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Re: Notice Period before starting a new job

Three months notice is quite normal in Swiss companies. We're waiting since March for a new employee starts - he's coming from a German company which has a six month notice period, and notice is only counted from the start of the next quarter. I hope he's worth it! I've heard of some Swiss companies with six months notice too.
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Re: Notice Period before starting a new job

if you're that worried, start the job, and keep interviewing, you can quit again if the others are better. best is to interview in the order of attractiveness. if you get the job you most wanted first, then no need to interview for the remainder.
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Three months notice is quite normal in Swiss companies.

yes, that's my experience. I can't understand companies expecting people to start within one month max!
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yes, that's my experience. I can't understand companies expecting people to start within one month max!
Three months is normal once you have been in the company for more than a couple of years.
By swiss labor laws, notice period...EDIT: *corrected below*...
And some companies just use this law and do not put any special rules of their own in the contract, others do.

Correction : From here :

"During the probationary period which normally covers the first three months of employment, the employment
may be terminated at any time subject to 7 days notice.
Thereafter the notice period is one month
(effective as of the end of a month) if the employment duration was less than one year.
From the 2nd to
the 9th year of employment the notice period is two months
and thereafter it is three months. These periods
can be extended in writing but never shortened to less than 1 month in favor of the employer (exception:
first year under a collective employment agreement).

The employment can also be terminated without notice for weighty reasons. The preconditions for this
are roughly the same as under European labor law, except that the employee is not entitled to have the works
council determine, whether or not the termination is socially unjustifiable.
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yes, that's my experience. I can't understand companies expecting people to start within one month max!
It's not an expectation, just a blend of pressure and trying it in. Their HR us fully aware of notice periods. Set their expectations accordingly. This will ultimately work in your favour.
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Re: Notice Period before starting a new job

I was a bit wrong.
I corrected my earlier post with the link to the labor laws document in English.
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New employers will want to push you to start as soon as possible but if you come clean at the beginning and say that your current job needs X months of notice they will have to accept it.
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New employers will want to push you to start as soon as possible but if you come clean at the beginning and say that your current job needs X months of notice they will have to accept it.
Or find someone else who can.
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yes, that's my experience. I can't understand companies expecting people to start within one month max!
I take it that you no longer have a hernia in your cervical spine?
Nothing to do with the current situation, I'm simply remembering the problems you had with your last employer.
I'd be interested to know what treatment you had as it has obviously been successful.
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Three months is normal once you have been in the company for more than a couple of years.
By swiss labor laws, notice period...EDIT: *corrected below*...
And some companies just use this law and do not put any special rules of their own in the contract, others do.

Correction : From here :

"During the probationary period which normally covers the first three months of employment, the employment
may be terminated at any time subject to 7 days notice.
Thereafter the notice period is one month
(effective as of the end of a month) if the employment duration was less than one year.
From the 2nd to
the 9th year of employment the notice period is two months
and thereafter it is three months. These periods
can be extended in writing but never shortened to less than 1 month in favor of the employer (exception:
first year under a collective employment agreement).

The employment can also be terminated without notice for weighty reasons. The preconditions for this
are roughly the same as under European labor law, except that the employee is not entitled to have the works
council determine, whether or not the termination is socially unjustifiable.
"
In my situation I work in IT and have several years experience. A post I have interviewed specifies 3 - 5 years experience, however thy say they will let me know next week and want me to start already in the middle of August - less than 4 weeks! realistically, I think any IT professional with 3 years plus experience will have a three month notice period in his contract.
In my case I could start mid-September. Surely if they are serious about hiring me they can wait until then?
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In my situation I work in IT and have several years experience. A post I have interviewed specifies 3 - 5 years experience, however thy say they will let me know next week and want me to start already in the middle of August - less than 4 weeks! realistically, I think any IT professional with 3 years plus experience will have a three month notice period in his contract.
In my case I could start mid-September. Surely if they are serious about hiring me they can wait until then?
I think you misunderstood.
The notice period is not based on how much experience you have, rather how many years you have been with your current company.

How long have you been in your current company ?
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I take it that you no longer have a hernia in your cervical spine?
Nothing to do with the current situation, I'm simply remembering the problems you had with your last employer.
I'd be interested to know what treatment you had as it has obviously been successful.
Yes, my hernia is now very much improved, thank you. I was going to update my previous thread once I had started a new job. Basically I have had 6 massage sessions with a physiotherapist. He also gave me a set of exercises which I do three times a day. I also go the gym four times a week and do a lot of exercies for my upper back and shoulders / neck area. My therapist says that my chances of avoiding a relapse are good, I just need to continue with exercising and build up strong back, shoulder and neck muscles.
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I think you misunderstood.
The notice period is not based on how much experience you have, rather how many years you have been with your current company.

How long have you been in your current company ?
No, I understand your post but these are the minimum legal notice periods, right? My point is that employers often asked employees in positions of responsibility who would be difficult to replace for a longer notice period, get what I mean? So an employer looking for a well qualified employee for a position with a lot of responsibility would reasonably expect that potential employee to have a three month notice period. For example, my first employment contract in switzerland stipulated a three month period of notice already after my first year of employment. Notice period to start at the end of the month in which notice is given.

Currently I am unemployed but have been offered a 2 month contract (through an IT agency), starting next week (at well below market rates, too). I have already verbally accepted this offer but haven't yet signed the contract. This other company however would want me to start mid August. I think this is unreasonable as any employee with even a one month notice period would have to wait until 1 September before starting work there.

All clear now?
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Yes, my hernia is now very much improved, thank you. I was going to update my previous thread once I had started a new job. Basically I have had 6 massage sessions with a physiotherapist. He also gave me a set of exercises which I do three times a day. I also go the gym four times a week and do a lot of exercies for my upper back and shoulders / neck area. My therapist says that my chances of avoiding a relapse are good, I just need to continue with exercising and build up strong back, shoulder and neck muscles.
I'm very happy for you and hope the improvement continues.
Good luck.
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No, I understand your post but these are the minimum legal notice periods, right? My point is that employers often asked employees in positions of responsibility who would be difficult to replace for a longer notice period, get what I mean? So an employer looking for a well qualified employee for a position with a lot of responsibility would reasonably expect that potential employee to have a three month notice period. For example, my first employment contract in switzerland stipulated a three month period of notice already after my first year of employment. Notice period to start at the end of the month in which notice is given.

Currently I am unemployed but have been offered a 2 month contract (through an IT agency), starting next week (at well below market rates, too). I have already verbally accepted this offer but haven't yet signed the contract. This other company however would want me to start mid August. I think this is unreasonable as any employee with even a one month notice period would have to wait until 1 September before starting work there.

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Crystal.
In that case, pick the one you prefer.

Is there a chance that either of these companies would somehow know that you are currently unemployed ?
I have worked for a few companies, for some as consultant, and for others as a full-time employee. And always I was given all the room I needed as far as notice was concerned, while joining and while leaving.
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Crystal.
In that case, pick the one you prefer.

Is there a chance that either of these companies would somehow know that you are currently unemployed ?
I have worked for a few companies, for some as consultant, and for others as a full-time employee. And always I was given all the room I needed as far as notice was concerned, while joining and while leaving.
yes, but I really want to keep my word as regards the two month contract. Not because of any loyalty towards the agency but the client is a good company and I may apply there again in the future.

Both companies know that I'm unemployed.
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