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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

I've found a company in Hanoi that is able to find a relevant lolcat image and upload it to as many threads as necessary for 5Rp per day. You're no longer needed here Ouchboy.
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Old 22.07.2011, 00:53
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I've found a company in Hanoi that is able to find a relevant lolcat image and upload it to as many threads as necessary for 5Rp per day. You're no longer needed here Ouchboy.
typical Project Management, not realizing Ouchboy's lolcats were Added value to his work flow and did not cost a thing to the company...
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I've found a company in Hanoi that is able to find a relevant lolcat image and upload it to as many threads as necessary for 5Rp per day. You're no longer needed here Ouchboy.
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Old 22.07.2011, 00:55
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I don't understand it either, but that is all that Google Images came up with. See what happens when somebody else tries to do your job ? Fail.
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Old 22.07.2011, 01:00
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I don't understand it either, but that is all that Google Images came up with. See what happens when somebody else tries to do your job ? Fail.



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Old 22.07.2011, 01:07
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

I'm so sorry everyone. The post above is so unbelievably shit that I've terminated the contract with the company in Hanoi.
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Old 22.07.2011, 01:18
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

It is actually impresive to see how these large banks and companies outsource entire projects, to save money, but end spending a lot more into setting up local production support and middle management to fix all the monkey business they got delivered.

is the top management getting it ? or are they only interested on this year's end bonuses.
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

Of course they don't get it. normally there is some 'World Class' consultancy company advising them and showing them the savings they can make over the next 2 years. outsourcer will throw in a couple of free trip/ Jollies to India to show them the Army of highly skilled people who will be dedicated to their project .... Of course, no one tells them that in 5 years your IT cost have doubled.

Why ?

A) you have just as many people managing the out sourcer and requirements compared to when everything was inhouse. Also you've had to rehire people you let go at a higher cost because they still need Key resources to resolve business critical issue.

B) Estimate creep. What used to take 2 days, slowly creeps up to 6-8 days. People object to begin with, but after a while, it just becomes accepted as the norm. That's when it really cripples the company because, the outsourcing may be 50% cheaper per man day, but will take 3-4 times longer .

In the long run, you end up with a bloated development process, slower time to market, increased cost.....but on the up side, the IT director now has someone else to blame when things go wrong.
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Old 22.07.2011, 11:27
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...and then the bean counters will eventually realise that this faux cost saving measure is actually detrimental to the business. I have been in this game too long, and seen the disasters that outsourcing projects become.

I had the pleasure the other day of someone who could barely speak English, read from a computer screen and ask me how Eastenders was doing and did I bring my brolly to work today. Code bots...
eventually is the word, by then the company that outsourced has lost all its expertise & no longer understands its own systems

Speaking of pleasure I called the outsourced IT help desk to ask where is the nearest networked A3 printer; answer "what is A3?"
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

I was in Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam for 3 weeks on business and I do not
remember meeting anybody there, that spoke good enough English to be
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

Maybe instead UBS should separate itself from the US entity, and stop
cooperating with the evil IRS, and US gov't. Then profits at UBS
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:46
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

One of them useless stories:

I'm not on the IT department of my company, that of course, it's sort of outsourced to Poland, with a very small team remaining here.( some people in America and India to cover all time zones).

I get this call from a guy once:
Guy:" Can you help us configure a firewall for a project?"
ouchboy: "well contact the IT guys"
Guy: " They take 4 weeks to do it, this is for now"
ouchboy: "ahm well I'm not supposed to, I mean it's not even standard equipment"
Guy: " We'll pay you double"
Ouchboy:" sigh.. sent it over"


this whole outsourcing is just a big excuse to pay double to the local guy... so it ain't that bad [for me at least ]
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

I thought the firewall jobs at UBS have been outsourced to CSC in Urdorf?
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Old 22.07.2011, 12:56
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I thought the firewall jobs at UBS have been outsourced to CSC in Urdorf?
I'm not in banking....
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

As someone working in software development in a big robotics company in Switzerland, I can tell you there is no sign of outsourcing here.
There is so much money wastage with big IT companies (10 billion pound NHS project anyone? is it delivered yet?). I never forget the time I spent at Accenture in UK on a massive 2 billion pound government project to modernise the national insurance/tax collection system. They hired over 100 IT contractors in a matter of a few weeks (including me) and brought a whole load from India too and for the first 2 months we did absolutely no coding, as we were still waiting for technical specs to come from above. This 2 months must have cost a few million pounds of the tax payers' money alone. Of course they would ask us to clock in a minimum of 40 hours a week (so they could charge the government in return with a profit). In the meantime they trained everyone on the basics of C++ like pointers! and made us read loads of useless manuals! I am sure the outsourcing in the long run is another such glorious exercise by useless managers.
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Re: IT Jobs at UBS being offshored?

Being in IT development, one doesn't have to be afraid of outsourcing, at least not significantly. Friend of mine with more than 10 years of experience with contracting in IT & banks in western europe told sad stories about outsourcing always coming with such amount of pain, failures and at the end it is always regretted. So there might be some new eager IT management looking only for short term profits&savings, and in that case people will be fired, but overall in whole Suisse... not an issue for at least another 10 years. Of course being in jobs like IT support, call centers etc... that might not have been a wise career choice, too easy to move abroad.
I would be more afraid of current crisis roaming around, that might be a real threat. Or not
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Maybe instead UBS should separate itself from the US entity, and stop
cooperating with the evil IRS, and US gov't. Then profits at UBS
will go up!
UBS was encouraging US citizens living in the US to break the US tax laws. Why is the IRS evil?
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