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Old 25.12.2017, 10:45
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It reads like you are being picky and think you'll be spiking them by not accepting their offer. "they need me really"
What would you do if you weren't entitled to RAV? Take the offer?

Or what about your next contract? Would you not work for this rate elsewhere?

It just sounds like you're smarting a bit from this turn of events which are beyond your control, which in reality is just part and parcel of contracting nowadays.
Yes of course I'm annoyed at their manipulative behaviour. Who wouldn't be.

Whether they need me or not is not the point. They've told me they don't really want me and they want to offshore the work to India. It's the client who has asked them to retain me. So they've made a bad offer to discourage me.

There's no way I can accept it with that prohibition clause because I will then be unable to work again for the client for 2 years. I expect them to unload me by 6 months given what they've already told me. I know for sure it will not go past a year as they've already agreed that with the client. Boss told me.

So I can't take this offer on that basis and I don't know whether I'll be renewed or not. Have not been put on notice either. The indications are there will be a renewal of some sort.

Am I at liberty to decline this offer, wait and see what happens on renewal and then if I don't get renewed claim the RAV ?

Surely the key point is that I've not been given notice yet so am under no obligation to accept this other offer ?
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Old 25.12.2017, 10:49
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So I'm obliged to take the other role even though I've not been given notice and there's a fair chance I'll get a renewal ?
Read your contract. It might be a pure fixed term contract which does not need notice to run out. In this case, for full RAV benefit you must have been looking for new work since November 1st.

If a job offer is CHF 118'560 or better you do not have much leeway to deny it as it is more than you will get from RAV. Additionally RAV can make you travel up to 4h per day to your new workplace.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Don't have the contract with me. Abroad for the holidays.

Have been told by others at work there is a legal obligation to give us a month's notice. Custom is 6 weeks. My agent has escalated the problem to the client's contractor help desk of their own accord saying it's causing a problem for them also. Another agent has also told me they have to give notice.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

I had to re-read your posts to gleen the status.
1) you are a contractor for a bank with the contract expiring on Jan 31st.
2) the bank has outsourced the project to a consultancy with an Indian office
3) the consultancy will look to offshore your position to India presently
4) the customer is fond of you and has asked them to retain you on the project
5) the consultancy have made you an offer (contract or permie?)
6) if you don't shift to the consultancy, there is a chance the customer will extend your contract independantly of the consultancy taking over the project
7) if you do go to the consultancy it's likely they'll terminate you at the earliest opportunity
8) you want to claim RAV if it goes belly up and there is no extension after you have turned down the consultancy offer

My opinion is you are employed today by the agency and they do not need to give you any notice as you have a contract with an expiry date.
The consultancy really don't want to employ you, and you don't want to work for the consultancy.

The logical decision is hold onto your balls and hope/negotiate an extension with your customer. Sounds like it will go to the wire, my extensions were often only confirmed 2 weeks prior to expiry.

I'd have thought RAV would contact your agency but not the end customer. Your agency shouldn't bubble you over the offer from the consultancy. As someone else mentioned, you should have evidence you've been searching for work since Nov 1st to avoid a RAV penalty.

If you can't afford to take a financial risk, take the consultancy offer. In either case there are some financial headwinds coming your way as either option does not seem to have any longevity. But you're a contractor so presumably have this scenario covered.

Or find a new contract. This customer is not the only show in town.

Good luck in any case, but as I said before, this is the usual state of play as an independant contractor. It's getting ruthless out there, especially with customers shelling out @200k a year per contractor.
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So I'm obliged to take the other role even though I've not been given notice and there's a fair chance I'll get a renewal ?
If you have a fixed contract you must start looking for work 3 months before the end of the contract. If you turn down work & are then unemployed you will likely be penalised.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Ok thanks.

My contract is rolling and am told there is some type of legal obligation for the agent to give notice even if it is expiring against a renewal date.

I guess you're saying the RAV will regardless interpret it as a fixed contract therefore I'm obliged to start looking 3 months before the renewal date.

So in essence there is little point in me apllying for RAV unless I have 3 months unsuccessful job hunting under my belt.

If that's the case am I right to assume the current offer will be immaterial 3 months from now or could they still penalise me for not taking it if I were still unemployed by the start of April ?
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

From what I know about RAV penalties (learnt from EF) it's a few days to a couple of weeks penalty, and the sooner you apply the sooner you are in the system.

I don't see how RAV could ever know about the current offer unless you tell them. You work for your current agency, that's who they will contact
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My contract is rolling and am told there is some type of legal obligation for the agent to give notice even if it is expiring against a renewal date.
The only one who can tell is you, yourself after reading your very own contract.

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So in essence there is little point in me apllying for RAV unless I have 3 months unsuccessful job hunting under my belt.
Nobody can tell you what the penalty will be, as Fish Paste says: A few days up to weeks might be possible. If you can make it plausible that you could have expect a renewal up to a certain point they may even forgive you that you started to look for a new job starting today.

At least in your current situation you should be looking for new work right now.

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If that's the case am I right to assume the current offer will be immaterial 3 months from now or could they still penalise me for not taking it if I were still unemployed by the start of April ?
It is not only about seeking employment but also about the circumstances how you became unemployed. If you became unemployment "voluntarily" because you denied an offer and did not find any other work in three months then they may still penalize you.

The RAV has one simple goal: That you are not unemployed.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

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They want my response by 27 Dec 2017.
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What did you decide?
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

I sent them a reply on Friday afternoon pointing out the problems.

No response from them so far.

Deadline elapses today.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hello. I`ve worked 364 days with permission L and 10 months with permission B,and now I`m without work. So can I have RAV registration and benefit payable?
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