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Old 04.06.2013, 08:02
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In reality, that depends on the offices that you use.
Well I can only speak from my own experience, but the invitation letter for the interview clearly stated that the language would be in German and that it was my responsibility to provide a translator. In the end we did the meeting in Swiss-German, but only because she heard me speaking to the front desk staff before hand.

I did not do the introduction course, so I can't comment on that....
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Apologies, this may be obvious and/or already covered, I have read a lot already but thought best to ask.

Is it possible to make an appointment with the RAV if not unemployed? Merely to ascertain your eligibility if it is foreseen or on the cards? Likewise, to get greater clarity on process?

I am in a position whereby I am too experienced for the role I was hired for, being underpaid accordingly compared to my prior two roles held in Switzerland, and mutual agreements discussed in hiring process have not been kept. As such, I am disillusioned with my role within the firm, and along with other structural changes and releasing of colleagues, am considering discussing the inevitable parting of ways with my employer. I think it would be possible to come to a mutual agreement that both are not satisfied with how things are.

I am trying to establish how and whether it would be possible to part ways and be entitled to RAV almost immediately, whilst I coordinate my next step in my career.

I only foresee me needing the support for a brief 2 month period whilst I go through the hiring process and obtain new employment, which may involve a training period outside of Switzerland for 3 months before returning to Switzerland to take up a position here. I don't think I would be entitled to RAV for the 3 months outside of Switzerland even though I would be coming back, but then I am don't think I would need it either.

Relevant info: EU national, B-Permit, resident 3 years, full time employment throughout
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Old 14.08.2013, 17:13
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

bump (don't want to start whole new RAV thread)
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Old 14.08.2013, 18:30
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

It's unemployment INSURANCE , your are required to accept ANY job, if you walk away from a job you will be heavily penalised upto 90 days on top of upto 20 days waiting that's over 5 months .

Look for a new job, if your fired its a different story.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Can someone clarify if RAV is considered as getting social help as this may affect a person when applying for C permit? Obviously this varies from canton to canton but it's worth checking this out first before claiming.
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Old 04.07.2014, 08:16
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Can someone clarify if RAV is considered as getting social help as this may affect a person when applying for C permit? Obviously this varies from canton to canton but it's worth checking this out first before claiming.
Nope. RAV is unemployment insurance not social assistance. As long as you have not been on RAV for extended time periods you are ok.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

RAV is an insurance pay out. Social Security is an emergency handout. They are 2 different sources, and RAV will not affect citizenship nor C Permit applications. But if you are on social security when your C permit arrives, then it will be refused.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

I thought you needed to be employed to get a C not on unemployment benefits .
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I thought you needed to be employed to get a C not on unemployment benefits .
At the time of application sure it could be an issue. However, if you are applying, are employed and were previously receiving RAV paynents it is a no -issue
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hi everyone,

I have read a bit on this topic but still unsure about a few questions. We have moved to Zurich from the UK in June and my husband had the job secured before we came here. I am still looking for a job in my field. Before I go to RAV I would like to ask:

1. I have been employed in the UK for 6 months (July 2014-January 2015) and have not registered with RAV as I didn't think I could get any help while I am looking for a job. I am also scared to go and register in case they ask me to get any job when I want to find a job in my field (I have an MA in Politics &International Relations). I am happy not to receive any money if they will just help me to get the job I want. I can show them all the applications I have made so far, which is more than 50 applications.

2. My husband might lose his job as the company he works for is getting sold or not signing a new contract, something along those lines. This is still to be confirmed but it is better to be prepared and know beforehand where we stand. He has always been employed in the UK, but only 6 months in Switzerland. In case he will lose his job in December or January will he be entitled to the 70-80% payout from RAV?

Thank you for your help!
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Hi everyone,

I have read a bit on this topic but still unsure about a few questions. We have moved to Zurich from the UK in June and my husband had the job secured before we came here. I am still looking for a job in my field. Before I go to RAV I would like to ask:

1. I have been employed in the UK for 6 months (July 2014-January 2015) and have not registered with RAV as I didn't think I could get any help while I am looking for a job. I am also scared to go and register in case they ask me to get any job when I want to find a job in my field (I have an MA in Politics &International Relations). I am happy not to receive any money if they will just help me to get the job I want. I can show them all the applications I have made so far, which is more than 50 applications.

2. My husband might lose his job as the company he works for is getting sold or not signing a new contract, something along those lines. This is still to be confirmed but it is better to be prepared and know beforehand where we stand. He has always been employed in the UK, but only 6 months in Switzerland. In case he will lose his job in December or January will he be entitled to the 70-80% payout from RAV?

Thank you for your help!
I don't believe the RAV will offer you any assistance at all, your not entitled to benefits.

Your Husband will be eligible for normal RAV benefits, however if he turns down an offer from the company even with 20-30% drop in salary (with children / without children) he will be severely penalised as he is choosing not to take a job on offer.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hi,

Thank you for your reply. I didn't think I am entitled to any assistance by the RAV, but I thought I might just register for the sake of finding a job. This is ok for us as we have never claimed any benefits in the UK either, so we don't know the joys of receiving tax payers' money😀. We have always worked full time, except me working part-time in the last 2-3 years due to having a baby. I believe I will be working in January, so fingers crossed it will really happen for me.

My husband has been told now that if anything happens, he will get assistance from RAV until he finds another job. Thank you for confirming this though.

Have a great week!
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I didn't think I am entitled to any assistance by the RAV... so we don't know the joys of receiving tax payers' money��.
Mentioned several times already, it's an insurance and has nothing to do with tax.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hi Salie,

Thank you for your input. Yes, I realise in Switzerland this is insurance and I am happy about this 😀. The English Forum is great! Thank you to everyone for the great advice!

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Mentioned several times already, it's an insurance and has nothing to do with tax.
Well if the amount going into ALV is less than the amount coming out then it is the tax payers who foot the bill at the end. I'm not a statistician but according the the following "reliable" source ALV machte folglich Verluste in Milliardenhöhe.
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Hi everyone,

I have read a bit on this topic but still unsure about a few questions. We have moved to Zurich from the UK in June and my husband had the job secured before we came here. I am still looking for a job in my field. Before I go to RAV I would like to ask:

1. I have been employed in the UK for 6 months (July 2014-January 2015) and have not registered with RAV as I didn't think I could get any help while I am looking for a job. I am also scared to go and register in case they ask me to get any job when I want to find a job in my field (I have an MA in Politics &International Relations). I am happy not to receive any money if they will just help me to get the job I want. I can show them all the applications I have made so far, which is more than 50 applications.

2. My husband might lose his job as the company he works for is getting sold or not signing a new contract, something along those lines. This is still to be confirmed but it is better to be prepared and know beforehand where we stand. He has always been employed in the UK, but only 6 months in Switzerland. In case he will lose his job in December or January will he be entitled to the 70-80% payout from RAV?

Thank you for your help!
1 It is worth contacting RAV; they should help you with finding a job (language skills help here) and have various courses available- some you may have to pay for if you are not receiving unemployment benefit (this is paid by the Arbeitslosenkasse, not by RAV directly)
2 The stand down time and max 70/80% (with a maximum amount if income exceeds somewhere around 10000 SFr per month) is very dependent on exact circumstances - your husband should contact RAV/Arbeitslosenkasse as early as possible.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Hi there y'all.

You see I'm a bit puzzled. I've just read through good- what- 8-10 years of your input. Thank you all. Last post is back from 2015 though, and it is April 2017 at the time of my post, so...

...let me recap real quick and update on latest rather personal experience:

1) RAV is not permitted to communicate with you in any other than official Swiss language (IT, DE, FR)
2) 10-12 job applications a month (although it is way more if you're in professional services e.g. Banking/Consulting/money-laundering-business which you tend to apply online for

My situation is a bit messed up:
- Resignation handed-in back in January (due to second burnout caused by 12-17 hours a day 6-7 days a week for over 3 years) - which is of course totally prohibited in Switzerland yet these financial twats always find a way- and since any place you happen to settle down around here is a village one way or another (meaning- you will meet them again sooner or later), you might want to avoid getting into legal shite
- 3 months notice period
- Offically unemployed as of May 1st
- registered with RAV as of March 30th
- on sick leave Feb & Mar
- signed up with kantonal Zurich insurance (whatever that is- RAV is not obliged nor it is allowed to provide suggestions yet they need you to pick one on the spot)
- average income over 110K

Now what can I expect from these insurance folks?
- some of you mentioned 60 (working) days resignation penalty
- some of you suggested coming there way before the last day of employment could help the case
- and some threatened with up to 5 months of penalty

I've got good 15 years of work experience and I tell you- this instability and insecurity's driving me nuts.

Those who've been in a similar position- please shed some light so the rest of us know what to prepare for.

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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

If you resign, the penalty reaches from 31 to 60 days plus the waiting days(like 10 days, plus the days where the RAV is not working(like the End of December), so it could be up to 80 Days without any payment from the RAV.
You have to apply now to any job , which is adequate, don't wait until May 01st.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Thanks a lot. Applying for jobs is not a problem here as I apply for 50+ whilst technically still employed. My 'problems' arrive once a month in form of bills if you know what I mean and I'm in trouble if they make me wait for ages.
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Re: RAV registration and benefit payable.

Some comments:

1) Penalty days (Einstelltage): for quitting your job, the penalty range is 31 to 60 work-days, as mentioned by blackbird. Splitting it in half, say, 45 work-days, is what you probably should figure. (45 work-days x 7/5 = 63 calendar days, i.e., two calendar months).

2) Wait days (Wartetage): Based on your mentioned income, if you have dependents, you will have five wait days (one calendar week). If you do not have dependents, you should expect 15 wait days (15 x 7/5 = 21 calendar days or three calendar weeks).

3) Ausgleichskasse: the Kasse (payroll) services for RAV operate under the same rules and seem to work fairly efficiently. It sometimes makes sense to select an office near RAV or where you live. Your selection of the Kantonal Zurich's Kasse should be fine.

4) RAV unemployment compensation overview: For more information on RAV unemployment, please see the brochure "Arbeitslosigkeit" at this link:

http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/publ...n/broschueren/

- St. Gallen RAV has published a similar guide in English:

http://www.awa.sg.ch/home/arbeitslos...6_englisch.pdf

5) Job boards: the attached pdf's list job boards provided by RAV Zurich:

RAV Aargau and RAV Bern have also published job board lists at these links:

https://www.ag.ch/media/kanton_aarga...lenboersen.pdf

https://www.biz.erz.be.ch/biz_erz/de...m_Internet.pdf

Generally, I would suggest using indeed.ch and jobsuchmaschine.ch, as they search across many job boards. At your first RAV Zurich meeting, the adviser will normally give you a code to jobagent.ch, also a very good job search engine. And definitely begin working your network.

Good luck with your job search!
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