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Old 08.08.2011, 14:46
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The package was provided by the recruitment firm in UK and advertised in linkedin. Also the bonus is not there.
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A Swiss company offered you a salary in Euros? Are you sure?
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65k is a perfectly normal salary in Switzerland, but something smells fishy about this particular job...
So...... an English company doesn't advertises in Euro's instead of Pounds, for a job in a country that pays Swiss Franc.


Given the current value of the Euro, it sounds like a pathetic attempt to deceive the value of the job.

When the Euro was strong, I'll bet that was the "Euro" equivalent when the position was first discussed with the recruiter...... now it almost 1:1, they're hoping nobody noticed.

I'd start by requesting 40% more on the base salary.


In saying that, it's usually in a recruiters best interest to get the highest salary possible for you (if your salary is the base methodology that they are paid)


The company I work for also has an option of what currency you wish to be paid in, but the circumstances that you are eligible do vary. Usually its for when they have asked you to move abroad to a country with a lower, or less stable currency and you have financial obligations elswhere. You can then choose to be paid in Swiss franc, but converted to the currency you live in........... it's a big win for my mates in the USA right now (but if they were paid in $USD then they would feel the pinch with their mortgage here)
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

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Let me clarify....You are meeting tomorrow with HR for the first time because the recruitment consultancy offered you the job without you meeting anybody from the pharma company....and you are moving from Dubai for this job? And you are hoping that in addition to this salary (in the wrong currency) that you can negotiate a house and a bonus too?

Have I got that right so far?
Pretty much. The pharma company IT team(of which i will be a part of) management took my technical interview and the HR will be discussing the salary details. Now the receuitment consultancy has given the salary estimate of 60K euro + benefits. Even for the recruitment consultancy, this is a new client, so they are not aware of the benefits. Yes i am moving from Dubai and now since i am getting a strong feeling that 60K euro wont be enuf for a family of 2, looking for options 2 compensate that in the benefits section
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Old 08.08.2011, 14:55
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Pretty much. The pharma company IT team(of which i will be a part of) management took my technical interview and the HR will be discussing the salary details. Now the receuitment consultancy has given the salary estimate of 60K euro + benefits. Even for the recruitment consultancy, this is a new client, so they are not aware of the benefits. Yes i am moving from Dubai and now since i am getting a strong feeling that 60K euro wont be enuf for a family of 2, looking for options 2 compensate that in the benefits section
You are flying in from Dubai for the interview tomorrow? Or have you already landed?
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You are flying in from Dubai for the interview tomorrow? Or have you already landed?
Its a video conference....
Just to add the recruitment consultancy is one of the best in Oracle field in the UK, so its credentials cannot be questioned...
and the pharma company is a global giant headquatered in the US
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:03
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Its a video conference....
Just to add the recruitment consultancy is one of the best in Oracle field in the UK, so its credentials cannot be questioned...
LOL LOL LOL LOL

sorry, but thats sooooo funny

LOL
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:09
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

In fact, it is not that unusual for consultants to receive a job offer in Euros, as opposed to the currency of the host country. When my husband was recently offered a project in the US, his salary and package was quoted in Euros.
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:12
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Its a video conference....
Just to add the recruitment consultancy is one of the best in Oracle field in the UK, so its credentials cannot be questioned...
and the pharma company is a global giant headquatered in the US
Except that

i) the agency don't know what you're going to be paid

and

ii) the company wants to underpay you.


Just out of interest.....what does an Oracle professional like yourself earn in Dubai these days?
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:14
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Except that

i) the agency don't know what you're going to be paid

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ii) the company wants to underpay you.


Just out of interest.....what does an Oracle professional like yourself earn in Dubai these days?
25K dirhams per month
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:17
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

Would be great if one day we had a post on here saying - "I'm an HR Director in Dubai/US/Germany who has a Swiss guy coming for a job as a SAP Expert / Semen Inserter / Banana Hammock Packer tomorrow - can any of you tell me how little I can get away with offering him given the lower standard of living we have here?"
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:25
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

Isn't that a typical example of salary dumping in CH? Such companies should be sued!

Don't accept 60k euros with your qualifications. You will only suffer with your family here.
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:27
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25K dirhams per month
Then I'd go for 60 000 euros - you'll be fine. What's that the audience is saying?? "Higher", you say?? "Go for the "Double your money" round?" Actually....sod it.....go for 120 000 and the house.

Got to go now...... but promise you'll let us know how you get on tomorrow, won't you? I shan't sleep a wink until I hear
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

Thanks for all the prompt responses. This surely will help me tommorow.
Will ya all posted

cheers, Raivin
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:33
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25K dirhams per month
Is that gross or net after all decductions? Are you living in company (or company sponsored) accomodation? Because right now, that's about CHF 5'200.00 per month - i.e. your Swiss offer would pay less even if the Dubai salary would be the gross figure.

Then again, cheap Indian IT has been the flavour of the month for some time now. At least they're offering you a permanent job and not a series of "short-term assignments" on a Bangalore wage + a CHF 50 per diem
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

As far I have read this thread, this seems to be funny to me.
I am still not sure if they can offer in euros also, atleast as far as I know they cannot.
65000 CHF for a IT-Oracle professional with 5+ years of experience seems to be half of what you can expect here + other benefits that come when joining a swiss company. No matter the consultancy is highest reputed and the pharma company highest reputed in US.
Belive me you cannot survive with a family of 2 in that amount as we all know Swiss is an expensive country, you need to pay for everything here.
Good Luck for the interview and the negotiations.

Cheers.
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:33
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Re: Desperate to get the feedback on salary

And this ladies and gentlemen, is a sign of what is to come.
Faced with the problem of an ever strengthening currency, the Swiss company is moving to address the salary cost by importing cheaper labour, and it would appear are meeting with some enthusiasm.

Whilst most on this thread dismissed the OPs question as being ridiculous and therefore not valid, it would appear that he is indeed doing that job in Dubai for the same salary (albeit tax free) but the difference is not enormous.

Real threat or simple conspiracy theory?
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Old 08.08.2011, 15:42
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And this ladies and gentlemen, is a sign of what is to come.
Faced with the problem of an ever strengthening currency, the Swiss company is moving to address the salary cost by importing cheaper labour, and it would appear are meeting with some enthusiasm.

Whilst most on this thread dismissed the OPs question as being ridiculous and therefore not valid, it would appear that he is indeed doing that job in Dubai for the same salary (albeit tax free) but the difference is not enormous.

Real threat or simple conspiracy theory?
Been outside recently? Seen this recently? I want to every time, but as you say, a sign of the times to come.

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And this ladies and gentlemen, is a sign of what is to come.
Faced with the problem of an ever strengthening currency, the Swiss company is moving to address the salary cost by importing cheaper labour, and it would appear are meeting with some enthusiasm.

Whilst most on this thread dismissed the OPs question as being ridiculous and therefore not valid, it would appear that he is indeed doing that job in Dubai for the same salary (albeit tax free) but the difference is not enormous.

Real threat or simple conspiracy theory?
I don't think that the question is ridiculous - I just personally doubt whether it is genuine....for many reasons.

However, your point is a serious one but again, I doubt it will really come to pass in that way....maybe companies near the borders will try to play the salary currency game - but the market will take care of the salaries. I just don't see the flood of cheap labout coming from Dubai for a 50% pay cut (by the time you factor in tax and cost of living)
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The Euro is in free fall and worth less than 40% of what it was 2 years ago.
A slight exaggeration, but maybe not in a few months' time.

The euro is currently worth 71% of its value two years ago, or 29% less than it was then (relative to the CHF).
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Been outside recently? Seen this recently? I want to every time, but as you say, a sign of the times to come.

I got this in my mailbox a week or so ago. Why won't they publish it in English?


Actually. I agree with some of what they are trying to do.
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25K dirhams per month
So you already earn around 58k EUR a year, and you're looking to move into Switzerland with only 7k EUR more in perspective?

This will most likely be a massive downgrade in your quality of life. You'll live in a small apartment, most likely in a less then perfect neighborhood, you'll struggle to own and upkeep a car (expect 2k CHF a year for insurance + tax, and another 1-2k CHF for service). You wont be eating out, travel will be limited, etc etc. I really don't see a reason why you should move.
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