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SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

Hi All,
I was in postdoc (Not EU with B permit) position . Recenly I applied for unemployment benifits through RAV to SYNA (zurich). Recenty, they send me letter that I am not elligible for this benefits because I was Postdoc (They claim that I am not allowed to take any other job in this permit). I have paid unemployment insurance during last couple of years as post doc. My residence B permit is still valid another couple of months.

Is there any way to get this benefits?
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Hi All,
I was in postdoc (Not EU with B permit) position . Recenly I applied for unemployment benifits through RAV to SYNA (zurich). Recenty, they send me letter that I am not elligible for this benefits because I was Postdoc (They claim that I am not allowed to take any other job in this permit). I have paid unemployment insurance during last couple of years as post doc. My residence B permit is still valid another couple of months.

Is there any way to get this benefits?
Please help.
The first thing I would do here is to check that you have been paying all the relevant deductions and for a period exceeding two years without any holes... If that is the case refer this to your advisor at the RAV and request a change of kasse. It could be this particular one are playing hardball in the assumption that you will back-off and then clear off!

I would also suggest going to the migrationsamt and asking them whether with this permit there are any special restrictions. And then apply for any job anywhere doing anything and get one quick!
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Re: SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

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The first thing I would do here is to check that you have been paying all the relevant deductions and for a period exceeding two years without any holes... If that is the case refer this to your advisor at the RAV and request a change of kasse. It could be this particular one are playing hardball in the assumption that you will back-off and then clear off!

I would also suggest going to the migrationsamt and asking them whether with this permit there are any special restrictions. And then apply for any job anywhere doing anything and get one quick!
Dear Richard,
Thansk for your feedback,

* I already paid all the relevant deductions since 5 years in Switzerland as Pos Doc.
* RAV told it is not possible to change the Kasse.
* RAV told if AWA allows me and change my working permit status, then I will be allowed to get the benefit.
* My question is that, if they know all these things why they have taken unemployment insurance money from me?
* where is the social security?
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Old 31.08.2006, 14:35
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Re: SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

Interesting. What canton are you in?

When I first applied for my ALV I got a form asking me to choose which Kasse. I asked what the difference was, and I really got no reply. In the end I chose the canton administered one because I felt, civil servants tend to be more rubber stampers, and given the huge red ink in the ALV system right now, I think the private ones would be squeezing everyone they can. So far, no problem. (touch wood).
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Dear Richard,
Thansk for your feedback,

* I already paid all the relevant deductions since 5 years in Switzerland as Pos Doc.
* RAV told it is not possible to change the Kasse.
* RAV told if AWA allows me and change my working permit status, then I will be allowed to get the benefit.
* My question is that, if they know all these things why they have taken unemployment insurance money from me?
* where is the social security?
Thanks
Interesting it is possible to change the Kasse I have done it.
I do not understand why a post doc should be any different to any other person - a professor I know is but not a post doc.
Which amt is the AWA? The migrationsamt is responsible for work permits and I would suggest going in person to see them. As far as I am aware but will need to check this if you have paid in you are entitled full stop and this comes with a right to extend your permit until your benefits cease. Strange I will investigate.

Are there any other postdocs out there?
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Interesting. What canton are you in?

When I first applied for my ALV I got a form asking me to choose which Kasse. I asked what the difference was, and I really got no reply. In the end I chose the canton administered one because I felt, civil servants tend to be more rubber stampers, and given the huge red ink in the ALV system right now, I think the private ones would be squeezing everyone they can. So far, no problem. (touch wood).
Thanks for the reply. MY RAV is at Uster and my job was at Zurich, seeing the Zurich address I do select SYNA (RAV also told there are no differences). But I also gone through the http://www.awa.zh.ch/internet/vd/awa/de/home.html and also I found the condition that if the permit is not switchable they are not elligible for the benifits. Then what for I paid ALV for last 5 years?
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Re: SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

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I found the condition that if the permit is not switchable they are not elligible for the benifits. Then what for I paid ALV for last 5 years?
This would seem logical (though unfair). If someone is here with a permit tied to a single employer, then in theory why would they qualify for unemployment benefits to look for a job that they theoretically aren't allowed to take. Once the job ends, they are supposed to leave the country.

If that's the way it is, then that's the way it is - but postdoc does raise an interesting point - why would he then have to pay the insurance? To be fair, he should really be refunded all of his contributions, since he should never have been paying in to it in the first place!

Anyone else out there on a B permit which is tied to your employer, and which doesn't allow you to switch? If so - you'd better check if you are paying unemployment insurance or not!
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Anyone else out there on a B permit which is tied to your employer, and which doesn't allow you to switch? If so - you'd better check if you are paying unemployment insurance or not!
The payment of unemployment insurance is mandatory for all employees The only ones who do not need to pay it are the self-employed. It is as far as making the payments is concerned irrelevant as to whether you are able to make a claim or not.
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The payment of unemployment insurance is mandatory for all employees The only ones who do not need to pay it are the self-employed. It is as far as making the payments is concerned irrelevant as to whether you are able to make a claim or not.
Interesting, in that case wouldn't you say that this equates to an additional tax/fine on those permit holders that are linked just to one employer?
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Interesting, in that case wouldn't you say that this equates to an additional tax/fine on those permit holders that are linked just to one employer?
Good question. I guess you could say that but on reading the rules about permits all non EU permits when originally given out are for a single employer so you could say all foreigners have a disadvantage. The interesting thing is that these tied B permits are for a maximum of 4 years which begs the question is this a case of an L for 18 months and then a B for 4 years to make 5.5 which is a bit harsh! The other point is that it is generally accepted that if the employer terminates the contract that the permit is switchable but this is not a formal process ie you have no right to it...

Interestingly also not covered are company Executive Committee or board members...
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Re: SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

The self employed also pay unemployment insurance. They declare part of their income as salary and pay based on that.
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The self employed also pay unemployment insurance. They declare part of their income as salary and pay based on that.
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And like the case of the original poster, I bet the self-employed can't claim it if their business turns down for whatever reason? Or if their income drops below a certain threshold can they get a top-up?
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Re: SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

Hi All,

I have a similar problem with my unemployment benefit money. I am not a EU member with B permit, living in Zurich. I completed my PhD studies recently. As an assistant I had a salary, which means that I was paying for unemployment insurance. When I applied for receiving the unemployment benefit money, I am told that it is going to be investigated whether I am eligible to receive that money. Now I am waiting for their reply.

I am surprised that they can reject to give this benefit money to a postdoc, as in my situation they are claiming that the problem is I have my B permit because of being a PhD student in Switzerland. So that, I can not get another job with this permit.

Interestingly enough, I know 2-3 people (non EU members) who received this unemployment benefit money after completing their PhD studies in Switzerland before they start for another job.

Is there a way to know more about our rights as foreigners in Switzerland?

Thanks for your comments in advance
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The self employed also pay unemployment insurance. They declare part of their income as salary and pay based on that.
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It's their choice from what I understand. A self-employed person is not entitled to unemployment benefit so I don't see why he would have to pay. Unless he wants to be part of some insurance system. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Is there a way to know more about our rights as foreigners in Switzerland?

Thanks for your comments in advance
I would suggest with respect to unemployment benefit this http://www.alkzh.ch/Formulare/Arbeitslosigkeit.pdf
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Re: SYNA rejects my unemployment benefits money:please help

I had this argument. YOu have to try very hard to get exempt and why do it ? To be honest it's cheap as chips, as long as you are gunna be here for the qual period.

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It's their choice from what I understand. A self-employed person is not entitled to unemployment benefit so I don't see why he would have to pay. Unless he wants to be part of some insurance system. Correct me if I am wrong.
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It's their choice from what I understand. A self-employed person is not entitled to unemployment benefit so I don't see why he would have to pay. Unless he wants to be part of some insurance system. Correct me if I am wrong.
You are indeed right no obligation and no rights but... If there is a chance to change from self employment to employment then paying early will cover your contribution holes ie you will be able to use the contributions paid as self-employed as part of the 12 months within 2 years to gain full benefit should the employment not work out.
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