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Old 16.08.2011, 21:58
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He speaks fluent English and he is native Spanish speaker. His German is not enough for working. And yes, trust me after 18th months is llike that.

And those jobs out there...no one answer him with a possitive feedback, and he is really willing to work! Maybe the German? Maybe the experience? maybe the age? maybe a foreigner? maybe all...but he does not find anything.
Hi, I'm new on the forum. My wife is not, and sent me this post. I'll be writing an introduction about myself in the next few days. So, please allow me to answer this particular post in good faith, before I've properly introduced myself in the forum...

Two points: if he has a PhD, then his RAV counselor should have realized he's looking at "Kader" (higher level) jobs. This qualifies him for continuing German up and -- perhaps at the counselor's discretion? -- even beyond level B1. A second RAV-approved rationale for the evening course is that it's a chance to network.

Also at the Kader level are other courses, e.g. for assessing your skills and job search strategies to make sure they are oriented towards the Swiss market. If your husband is getting always rejections, he may need to politely inquire why and re-evaluate his marketability in the Swiss workforce. (The RAV should have recognized his need for such a course.) If he knows his strengths and skills and is marketing them intelligently in an appropriate sector, he should be getting at least interviews or callbacks. Agencies might also give him some honest feedback if he politely takes someone's time to solicit feedback from his CV. For example, look for job postings through an agency with an english sounding name and call the person and feel out what they're looking for and where they think you would fit in.
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Old 16.08.2011, 22:04
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regarding giving back, i did ask my arbeterin and she said in cases like wining the lottery or getting just rich.... or even living in ch with 120k other than that, they wont ask money back.
Actually, ANY inheritance will suffice (first hand knowledge here, albeit not me)

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Old 17.08.2011, 10:32
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Re: End of RAV

Thank you all for your nice tips...he was trying so hard during the last 18th months that I do not really know where the problem is.
The RAV always refuse to give him any more than 3 months of german course.
Anyway, there is so many english speaking jobs out there! but he is just not in his lucky moment I guess...
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:37
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As I mentioned earlier Seyon - if you gave more information about his complete skillset - then perhaps some people on here can help!
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Old 17.08.2011, 10:55
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I do not know if he will like me to upload his CV here, but if that helps I could...

He is 44, Fluent in Spanish and English. He studied chemistry then being a teacher for years in Spain. He move to the UK with 29-30 (not sure) and work in a music school as the hous father for some time. Then he did a master in phisics and later his PhD in Chemistry (solid state fuel cells). He used syncrothrons all around the world and learned many other technics that I can not really explain. Here in Switzerland he did 2 years postdoc and then.....nothing...it is so sad that after all this he has to think about MacDonalds
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Has he tried applying at CERN. Not in your area, but nonetheless if he has a Phd in the tech. area, that is probably one of the biggest employers around. see the job section at www.cern.ch
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:12
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I do not know if he will like me to upload his CV here, but if that helps I could...

He is 44, Fluent in Spanish and English. He studied chemistry then being a teacher for years in Spain. He move to the UK with 29-30 (not sure) and work in a music school as the hous father for some time. Then he did a master in phisics and later his PhD in Chemistry (solid state fuel cells). He used syncrothrons all around the world and learned many other technics that I can not really explain. Here in Switzerland he did 2 years postdoc and then.....nothing...it is so sad that after all this he has to think about MacDonalds
It's kind of depressing to see a PhD with post doc experience not being able to find work.

brb quitting PhD
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Old 17.08.2011, 11:19
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It's kind of depressing to see a PhD with post doc experience not being able to find work.

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PhDs after your name are not job-getters. ;-)
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PhDs after your name are not job-getters. ;-)
Of course it's not an automatic way to get a job. But it certainly helps when every tom dick and harry has a bachelors. (or that's what I tell myself when I can't sleep at night)

The main problem the OP's husband is having is that a lot younger people have the save level of experience as him and get the jobs before him.
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Of course it's not an automatic way to get a job. But it certainly helps when every tom dick and harry has a bachelors. (or that's what I tell myself when I can't sleep at night)

The main problem the OP's husband is having is that a lot younger people have the save level of experience as him and get the jobs before him.
excatly...
when he gots his postdoc position here they call him for the interview (he did not have the age on the CV, as we were in the UK at that moment). When he arrives they asked for the age and when he told them 40 and just finish PhD they said no chance por a position: 1st because all the bosses around were that age, 2nd because they needed to pay him more and gets more holidays because of age. But a professor that was there thought he needed a chance and he gave it for 2 years--He needs to find another person like this now...
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excatly...
when he gots his postdoc position here they call him for the interview (he did not have the age on the CV, as we were in the UK at that moment). When he arrives they asked for the age and when he told them 40 and just finish PhD they said no chance por a position: 1st because all the bosses around were that age, 2nd because they needed to pay him more and gets more holidays because of age. But a professor that was there thought he needed a chance and he gave it for 2 years--He needs to find another person like this now...
Has he thought about dumbing down his CV and not including the PhD?
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PhDs after your name are not job-getters. ;-)
My husband calls his own qualifications:-
BSc - bullshit
MSc - more shit
PhD - piled high and deep

His words, not mine. I'm much to well brought up to use such language
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My husband calls his own qualifications:-
BSc - bullshit
MSc - more shit
PhD - piled high and deep

His words, not mine. I'm much to well brought up to use such language
They aren't his words either. It's a popular joke with academics and works better in the US where BSc = BS and MSc = MS
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They aren't his words either. It's a popular joke with academics and works better in the US where BSc = BS and MSc = MS
Well, as he's Swiss, I was a bit surprised that he's capable of original thought
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Old 17.08.2011, 23:16
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Assuming "sozialamt" is the same as "aide sociale" in French - social aid...

I am on Revenue d'Insertion (support for people with low or no income and savings below a certain baseline, as Coconut described above).

Social aid identified that in order for me to get off social aid I needed to improve my French, so they sent me on a language course. My French was graded as being in between B1 - B2 at the time.

So even if RAV won't pay for further language tuition, social aid might. My experience is that they are willing to invest in people.

And I haven't found it demeaning, they've never asked me to justify any item of expenditure... certainly not my washing up liquid!

The forms are not hard to fill in, and my admin person is very understanding of the fact that my bank statements are not issued until after my rent is due, so each month gives me my money in advance. However, I must admit that I can never quite work out why I have been given the amount I have (I can claim back money for various things, e.g. travel to the hospital, internet access, but the figures never quite add up...).

I've also found it's always worth asking if you think there's an off chance they might reimburse you for something. I had to take a taxi to an eye appointment because I was on crutches, I asked if it could possibly be reimbursed, and was told 'Oh yes, we'll reimburse all your travel costs for medical reasons...' I'd been travelling to the hospital at least 2 times a week for over a year when I discovered this...

The only thing I would say is make sure you state your financial position clearly when you first claim. When I first applied, I was very ill, and I had a social worker who was new to the job. This resulted in some confusion over my assets back in the UK. At the time I was still trying to sell my flat (and therefore had a mortgage), plus I have a student loan. So this social worker basically ignored all my UK assets because she said the balance on the mortgage plus the loan was much greater than the amount in my UK bank account. She also didn't explain that I should send in copies of my UK statements regularly.

So for the next 10 months I went on happily submitting my forms and getting my money, my social worker left, and then at the end of the year I was asked to complete a document showing all bank account details, among other things. I had some trouble filling it in, and had to ring the admin assistant for help. I innocently asked her if I should be sending her my UK bank statements. She was not happy that I had not done so previously. I had to send her the entire year's statements.

Then, in February, my new social worker stared quizzing me about my assets in the UK. They'd gone through all my statements, done the sums... and, you guessed it, I hadn't been entitled to social aid when I started getting it.

There isn't an end to this saga even now, six months later. My second social worker (and my third... do I frighten them away?) both say that they know that I didn't deliberately make a fraudulent claim, and that it was social worker n 1's mistake. I have told them, and written to the admin lady, saying I am willing to pay back anything that I owe them. I have even got to the stage of begging them to send me a bill... but I still haven't been informed of the 'decision'. Not nice, as I have no way of knowing how much I owe, or if indeed they're going to write it off as an expensive mistake by a rookie.

So the moral of the story is, check your figures very carefully, and don't just take your social worker's word for it!

Oh, and make sure you don't accidentally accumulate too many savings when you're on social aid either. Although, as my latest social worker pointed out when she was warning me of this pitfall, there's a very easy way to get around that...
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Old 18.08.2011, 09:32
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The only thing I would say is make sure you state your financial position clearly when you first claim.
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In the UK people go to prison for understating assets when claiming Social Security.
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In the UK people go to prison for understating assets when claiming Social Security.
Yes, well I seem to recall reading somewhere that here you can get deported...
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Yes, well I seem to recall reading somewhere that here you can get deported...
Now that would be a good soloution for the Rioters.
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