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Old 24.08.2011, 15:06
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Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

My husband's company announced that they'll likely increase work hours to 45 per week (from 42.5).

He just started working there and if the hours increase, I may start feeling the move here for a higher salary wasn't worth it.

Is anyone else experiencing the crunch through their job? Longer hours, cut pay, lay-offs, etc.? Thanks.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:10
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

1) he has a job
2) that's an increase of 30 min per day
3) I get paid for a 42.5 hr week, but usually work 50-60 as "standard"

What was your point again?

Just hope and pray that they don't start paying him in Euros (assuming that he works in CH).
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:10
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Is anyone else experiencing the crunch through their job? Longer hours, cut pay, lay-offs, etc.? Thanks.
Hehe, still recovering from the last one... We should return to the standards of December 09 by the end of this year.

(But then, I'm not a highly paid professional)
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:15
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

I've heard of a couple of Pharma companies doing the same and I think it is a strangely flawed philosophy. Increasing hours does not increase productivity; you'll still pay the staff the same wage and the output will be more-or-less the same. I think it's a poor attempt to pander to the board/shareholders in that you are seen to be doing "something".
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:16
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1) he has a job
2) that's an increase of 30 min per day
3) I get paid for a 42.5 hr week, but usually work 50-60 as "standard"

What was your point again?

Just hope and pray that they don't start paying him in Euros (assuming that he works in CH).
Yeah, he gets CHF but I'm wondering, if you're essentially paid hourly, is this actually considered legal? I worked 60+ hours in the US at times but I was salaried so it was "expected" of me as a startup manager. Not sure if it's totally legal for a Swiss company to simply increase work hours with no compensation for hourly employees.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:20
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Yeah, he gets CHF but I'm wondering, if you're essentially paid hourly, is this actually considered legal? I worked 60+ hours in the US at times but I was salaried so it was "expected" of me as a startup manager. Not sure if it's totally legal for a Swiss company to simply increase work hours with no compensation for hourly employees.
Your husband or the company can each give notice if they are not happy, it's a simple system & no redundancy needs to be paid.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:20
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My husband's company announced that they'll likely increase work hours to 45 per week (from 42.5).

He just started working there and if the hours increase, I may start feeling the move here for a higher salary wasn't worth it.

Is anyone else experiencing the crunch through their job? Longer hours, cut pay, lay-offs, etc.? Thanks.

Sounds like bullsheet to me, I'd start looking at legal action.
At the least there should be a new contract negotiated.

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You are a mug and sound strangely proud.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:23
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You are a mug and strangely proud.
No. I've a salary and a senior position in my company. I also work & travel way less than most of my clients at pharma/biotech companies. So all-in-all I'm happy with my situation.

As for proud. No. In the current marketplace, I'm grateful for the job I have.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:23
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Sounds like bullsheet to me, I'd start looking at legal action.
At the least there should be a new contract negotiated.
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but what actions will you take? of course there will be new contract, but as we all know, if you don't want to sign the new one, the employer will simply give you notice and that's that. 45 h workweek is not illegal.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:24
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

I never heard of that before. If there is a downturn, why do they need more hours? (I assume making some people redundant?)

More normally here, in the case of downturn, they cut hours and pay (Kurzarbeit) and the difference (or some of it) is paid centrally.

But I never heard of a situation like yours....very odd
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:26
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

At the very least, it seems a new contract should be negotiated. Perhaps there will be a backlash through sluggish pacing to stretch out the hours

After being overworked in the US, I get really heated about employee rights & seeing Europe follow down the US path of "survival of the fittest".
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:27
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After being overworked in the US, I get really heated about employee rights & seeing Europe follow down the US path of "survival of the fittest".
Fair enough, but there's a long way to go 'til we reach that level.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:28
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I never heard of that before. If there is a downturn, why do they need more hours? (I assume making some people redundant?)
In the situations I was referring to, it was apparently to increase output to compensate for the strong CHF.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:34
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

I'm 90% sure which company is being discussed.

There will be new contracts following a three month notice period.

The 45 hour week is one of several cost reduction measures being considered during a consultation period.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:36
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

Looks like a couple of companies have already started - one even paying in euros!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...side-down.html
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

Sounds like exploitation of the work force to me.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:39
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I never heard of that before. If there is a downturn, why do they need more hours? (I assume making some people redundant?)
I don't know the actual reasoning, but I'd guess redundancy and reduced overtime costs figure somewhere.
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Looks like a couple of companies have already started - one even paying in euros!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...side-down.html
On the one hand companies are complaining that they can't export their goods at a reasonable price because of the strength of the Franc, and on the other hand companies are complaining that they can't import goods at a reasonable price because their suppliers refuse to take into account the exchange rate. Something must be done! I know, let's bend the employees over the desk.
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Old 24.08.2011, 15:57
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Re: Increased Work Hours due to the Economy

Pretty simple from my point of view.

Ask yourself:
1. Do I contribute more financially to my company than they pay me?
2. Am I happy with what I get paid for the amount of work I put in?

If you answered "no" to 1. I would simply smile and accept the company's request or find another job.

If you answered "no" to 2. you should simply adjust your salary or contribution expectations or find another job.

Your company looks at it from this point of view. Can we afford to hire somebody to do the job that we want them to do that will in some way contribute to making a profit. (Yes, companies will pay the minimum they have to pay to keep employees. Welcome to the employment market)

If they cannot afford that because they are not making enough money to be able to pay your salary, there are two options.

1. Increase productivity
2. Decrease salary

If neither of these is an options well, see the above scenario and find another job.

Yes, yes, I hear you that some companies are corrupt and the profits all still go somewhere else and management are fat cats, etc. Great, well there are two options available for you here as well.

1. Change the way the company does business (if you can).
2. Accept that this is the way things are.

Or pretty much you can find another job.

I am sorry, I know that I sound repetitive but in today's economy after having gone through hell to find a job I a pretty happy that I have one and not very sympathetic about people who are not happy with thiers when I see how many of my friends still don't have one.
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At the very least, it seems a new contract should be negotiated. Perhaps there will be a backlash through sluggish pacing to stretch out the hours

After being overworked in the US, I get really heated about employee rights & seeing Europe follow down the US path of "survival of the fittest".
Erm.. which "downturn"?

The current problem in CH is that the CHF is extremly strong. As a result are all goods produced here far too expensive compares to EU goods (let alone US ones...).

So in short: If you work more for the same money, your company gets more competitive.

I work in an export oriented company and we already had to fire people thanks to this. I am leaving the country anyway right now, but I'd rather work 30 mins longer a day than getting fired. The problem will be that unless you work in an assembly line is it very hard for me to believe that these few minutes a day do in fact have a major outcome...
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