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Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

My boss had planned, what I felt, was a great team building exercise for our group. In fact, I was really looking forward to it. I don't want to go into details about what it was for privacy reasons. (sorry) but it was very kosher.

Due to time constraints, she has replaced it with an evening activity, that I feel is probably not respectful of individual differences, in that it takes place in the evening after work and has a minimum age requirement, as well as some religious taboos, etc. Nevertheless, everyone is required to attend, or they will endure the Wrath. When I mention my protest to the boss, I am told, "tough, you'll be there."

So, EFers, I thought I would ask you. What would be something that people should not be obligated to attend? How would you handle it if you felt coerced to attend?
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Old 24.08.2011, 22:09
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

Tough, you'll be there

.. as if you had a choice ? Now that you've protested, your possible absence would be even more noticed.

Put up with it and smile politely, it's part of your job.
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Old 24.08.2011, 22:18
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

If it goes against your personal ethics, or is extremely disruptive of your personal life, then in order to live with yourself, you have no choice. You don't go, explaining that you have no desire to go against your bosses wishes, but on this matter, you cannot accede to her request.

If it's just because you're annoyed at being coerced - then go, and make sure you exploit it to the max.
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Old 24.08.2011, 22:26
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

Unless it's unethical (as NAT said) it really is best to go. It's a few hours of sacrifice to keep the peace. You'll gain more than the time lost.

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Old 24.08.2011, 22:35
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

The British solution would be to be sick (a personal, complicated private parts sickness where no-one can ask questions) if you do not know 'agree' with it ethically (or any other way). Conflict avoided. Everyone is happy. This is just a job you do to earn money. I do not see that you are obligated to go at all. Your life begins when you leave the work place....
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as well as some religious taboos, etc. Nevertheless, everyone is required to attend, or they will endure the Wrath.
Can't you say there is some religious conflict? Surely they can't force you to do something against your religion, can they?
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

It's a pork roast at a brothel with a free whisky tasting, isn't it?

I've been trying to get our boss to do that event for years now, to no avail.
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

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.... it was very kosher.
That excludes the pork
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That excludes the pork
The first event was very kosher, but that was cancelled in favour of the second event, which wasn't.

Do keep up, old chap.
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Due to time constraints, she has replaced it with an evening activity, that I feel is probably not respectful of individual differences, in that it takes place in the evening after work and has a minimum age requirement, as well as some religious taboos, etc. Nevertheless, everyone is required to attend, or they will endure the Wrath. When I mention my protest to the boss, I am told, "tough, you'll be there."

So, EFers, I thought I would ask you. What would be something that people should not be obligated to attend? How would you handle it if you felt coerced to attend?
Is the new event visiting a pole dancing or strip club or something like that ?
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

In Switzerland ? I'd be very surprised
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

This is too hypothetical, we need actual details.

I would hypothetically give my boss a slap, tell them to grow up, and then demand a payrise as the only obviously sensible employee. Hypothetically. Or I'd go and really enjoy the orgy, umm I mean night out.
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

[QUOTE=Dougal's Breakfast;1313823]It's a pork roast at a brothel with a free whisky tasting, isn't it?

Perhaps an idea for the next English Forum social event?

I can bring the whisky...
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

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I can bring the whisky...
People would just RSVP yes and then not show up.
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everyone is required to attend, or they will endure the Wrath.
This extra time you'll all be putting in will be compensated, I take it? Overtime paid, or time off in lieu perhaps?
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I can bring the whisky...
Who's going to bring the broth?
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What would be something that people should not be obligated to attend? How would you handle it if you felt coerced to attend?
If it's not in your contract, you're not obligated to do it.

If you're hired to create software but asked to strip-dance as a team-building exercise you just refuse. As simple as that.
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If it's not in your contract, you're not obligated to do it.

If you're hired to create software but asked to strip-dance as a team-building exercise you just refuse. As simple as that.
Top job keeping advice there. In fact, while your refusing why not slam a copy of your contract on the desk at the same time and tell him to PROVE where it says you have to go. Call him a fat bastard while your at it for even more effect.
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Old 27.08.2011, 09:24
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

Be careful that you don't over-dramatize the situation, though. I've noted from your posts that you're very, um, American - and people aren't that sensitive here.
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Re: Handling "Off Limits" Field Trips?

I can say that at every little apero or minor function our sole HR harpy is there taking a head count of who's in attendance and who's blowing it off because they have other/better things to do. It's no surprise to me she's Swiss German and used to work in a factory. It explains why we now have modern equivalent of a time card stamper next to the front door.
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