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Sympathy on this forum is rarer than rocking horse sh&t....
I'm not sure that there was a particular lack of sympathy - that kind of question is a little bit "clutching at straws" to begin with, and I think that having asked the question and been answered several times, some people get a little frustrated when the arguments move from fact to "Its not fair"!

I think that when people come on and say "I screwed up and I know I did" they do get sympathy (90% of the time. Well, maybe 80%....)
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Sympathy on this forum is rarer than rocking horse sh&t....
Please explain why you feel that sympathy is an appropriate emotional response here. In fact, why should there even be an emotional response? The OP wanted a bonus for work he wasn't even going to complete and he felt that this was 'unfair'. Could you point us to a business where that's a standard part of a bonus contract because I'd like to check them out!
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I didnt say the Op deserved sympathy merely commenting that if he was looking for a sympathetic ear for his cause, he wasnt going to find it on this forum.
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Please explain why you feel that sympathy is an appropriate emotional response here. In fact, why should there even be an emotional response? The OP wanted a bonus for work he wasn't even going to complete and he felt that this was 'unfair'. Could you point us to a business where that's a standard part of a bonus contract because I'd like to check them out!
I DON'T ask for ANY bonus for work I didn't carried out, but for work I did which is the Pro Rata.

But yes Simon you are completely right I was asking how the rules is since I don't know them, and the only thing I got back from this forum is something useless instead of replying nicely, but yes LESSON LEARNED.
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Re: Bonus after leaving job

Not that I am legal person - but the wording of the contract suggests that the company is obligated to pay a pro-rata bonus (if targets are met) if they terminate the contract.

Using "Exception that proves the rule" that would mean that they aren't obligated if the employee terminate the contract. IE any bonus they then pay is discretional.

The reason, in my view, why that clause is in there - is so that if the company has to make cutbacks you'd be entitled to a fair bonus payment based on your performance.

If you leave a role, in my view, you do so weighing up the financial; Pros/Cons of moving when you do. The staff turnover in bonus orientated organisations is highest once bonus payment as been received
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Hi Guys

I have heard that it should be possible to decuct some cost when you are travelling to work in own car, can anyone confirm that??

I'll be working as an IT project manager for a consultancy company and need my car dailly since I might have to go urgent to a customer even it's not scheduled that day.

The rules I've heard is:

If you file a tax return, you can, if you can prove one of the following:

- The distance from your home to the nearest public transport stop (or work to nearest stop) is more than 1 km
- The total time spent commuting per day is more than 2 hours 30 min
- You need your car for work-related and/or medical reasons

So for me seems like option 3 is what I need to enter, since the car is needed for work-related things.

Hope someone can help me :-)

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But yes Simon you are completely right I was asking how the rules is since I don't know them, and the only thing I got back from this forum is something useless instead of replying nicely, but yes LESSON LEARNED.
Excuse me? I think I replied nicely, didn't I??
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Excuse me? I think I replied nicely, didn't I??
indeed you did and it was highly appreciated, since I'm looking for help and not negative comments as from BHBT, then better not write anything.
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Re: Bonus after leaving job

To be honest I have read this - I think people were trying to help you but you were not exactly clear on what you requested - I think your response was a tad unnecessary.
Plus when you state I want my bonus and it's unfair if I don't get it - doesn't really say please help me prove why my employer should pay me - rather more like a spoilt child in a candy store!
Plus you signed your work contract - maybe next time ensure that you understand every element before signing!
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Is there anyone in here knowing any good lawyers or do know the rules when you are leaving the job and your bonus agreed is not paid out as expected?

I'm leaving my job here end of this month and have just been informed that I'm not going to get my full bonus since they are looking at ALL the targets for the FULL year (the company fiscal year is going from 1.4 to 31.3) which means I have only been employed for 5 out of the 12 months, and lots of my goals are first due end the fiscal year so can't be according to the law they can put this into the goals now?? This means for me that I'm going to get a VERY LOW amount out since I "only" finished the goals which should be due NOW, and not the one who have to be finish by end fiscal year.

If I'm going to appoint a lawyer does anyone knows what's going to happen if I win the case, will my former employee then have to pay the cost for the law case or will this be on my expense?

I hope someone can share experiences - private message will as well be highly appreciated since some of the people I worked together with might be on this forum as well.

Thanks in advance

P.s. The reason why they don't pay out the bonus is a "pay back" that I didn't take another job offer within the group but instead decided to leave.
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It's very clear in the contract that I shall have the bonus payment when I leave:

If a specific employment contract stipulates a variable portion of annual remuneration (bonus), the employee in question shall be entitled to claim a share of this bonus pro rata temporis if the employment relationship is ended as a result of termination, dismissal, retirement, inability to work or death, provided that the targets for the year in question have been met in accordance with the annually agreed targets
So you have perfect clarity on the bonus issue (sounds like you don't need a lawyer).

Phdoofus then advises you to talk to your HR department, to which you have no response.

Members begin expressing opinions that the your lack of meeting yearly targets, given your voluntary departure, might mean that you are not due a full bonus. You then begin getting defensive:

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NOT AT ALL , but don't you feel that if you do a good job then you shall get paid what's agreed and fair? I do think all of us do.

To this post I think some of you missunderstand the point here, so let me try put some fictive amounts on:

Yearly bonus should be 12000, since I have been working 5 months of the new bonus year 5000 should be the bonus if you archive the result zou were expected to do, which then is fine and I'll be very happy. The issue here is that I'm getting LESS than this amount since they are calculating some bonus goals into this which first is due late this year (means out of my control), that's the problem, hope it's more clear now?
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Please just close this thread have got what I need out of it.

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Finally, you categorically characterize any and all responses as useless:

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I DON'T ask for ANY bonus for work I didn't carried out, but for work I did which is the Pro Rata.

But yes Simon you are completely right I was asking how the rules is since I don't know them, and the only thing I got back from this forum is something useless instead of replying nicely, but yes LESSON LEARNED.
Not sure who is going to want to take the time to help after all that, but I will say that your problem seems to be very specific, thus it is unlikely that any member has experienced the same circumstances exactly in the way you describe. Therefore, any advice that is given is in more general terms, and you seem to not be accepting of it. As for you question regarding legal fees, I believe that their payment can be negotiated in any number of ways, thus you would have to retain an attorney prior to getting an answer to that question.

Hope that helps you at least understand why you suddenly have red blobbies under your name.
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((Members then respond that your bonus situation is dependent on the specific wording of your contract/company policy))





So you have perfect clarity on the bonus issue (sounds like you don't need a lawyer).

Phdoofus then advises you to talk to your HR department, to which you have no response.

Members begin expressing opinions that the your lack of meeting yearly targets, given your voluntary departure, might mean that you are not due a full bonus. You then begin getting defensive:



No responses satisfy you, thus you are now prepared to take your toys and leave the sandbox:



Finally, you categorically characterize any and all responses as useless:



Not sure who is going to want to take the time to help after all that, but I will say that your problem seems to be very specific, thus it is unlikely that any member has experienced the same circumstances exactly in the way you describe. Therefore, any advice that is given is in more general terms, and you seem to not be accepting of it. As for you question regarding legal fees, I believe that their payment can be negotiated in any number of ways, thus you would have to retain an attorney prior to getting an answer to that question.

Hope that helps you at least understand why you suddenly have red blobbies under your name.
Thanks a lot for above. Never meant not to take any advice just felt I've been misunderstood but I've got what I need now.
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