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Jobs Offers vs Ethics

I have been through a lot with my current employer and he did his best to push me over the edge till I resigned without having another job!

Things worked out really well for me and now i have 2 offers on the table!

One is starting in October (when ill start to be jobless, so perfect timing) and the other one - which is my ideal dream job - will start in December!!

How bad/naughty/unethical to take the first job (permanent offer) to bridge the 2 months jobless period and resign during probation (within 7 days) and start with the December job?

My previous employers have been real mean to me and I start to think I want to work on my interest and do from now whatever is convenient to me only!

Would that be unethical to do so? Hiding the fact I will only work 2 months for the first employer?

Please help me taking this tough decision!
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Re: Jobs Offers vs Ethics

Yes it is unethical if you are doing this intentionally. It is not the fault of your potential employer that you were badly treated by a previous employer. Tread carefully or you may end up with no job at all.

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Yes it is unethical if you are doing this intentionally. It is not the fault of your potential employer that you were badly treated by a previous employer. Tread carefully or you may end up with no job at all.

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So your going to sit around twiddling your thumbs losing over 8k just because you feel you should be loyal to a company you've not yet started with & one who sounds like they could benefit from even only 2 months of your services?

You may like the job you could refuse more than the other new one, think of yourself & your future for once & practice a bit of lie-telling, it's fun, I can tell you...
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It might be in the mutual interest of you and your current company if you were to work up to December - gives them some more time to recruit a new person and for you, you can fill the gap of income.

You say they are unfair so only you know if they would go for this but it might be your best option.
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So your going to sit around twiddling your thumbs losing over 8k just because you feel you should be loyal to a company you've not yet started with & one who sounds like they could benefit from even only 2 months of your services?

You may like the job you could refuse more than the other new one, think of yourself & your future for once & practice a bit of lie-telling, it's fun, I can tell you...
Thank you Transition I also felt AYB was bit too harsh on me!
Thanks for your input!
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So your going to sit around twiddling your thumbs losing over 8k just because you feel you should be loyal to a company you've not yet started with & one who sounds like they could benefit from even only 2 months of your services?

You may like the job you could refuse more than the other new one, think of yourself & your future for once & practice a bit of lie-telling, it's fun, I can tell you...
A permanent employee is only marginally productive during the first few months so don't kid yourself that the temporary employer would 'benefit from even only 2 months of service'

I thinks it's unethical but hey if the OP feels ok about screwing a company that had nothing to do with a previous bad job, then so be it.
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Re: Jobs Offers vs Ethics

It's a dog eat dog world.

There are enough posts in this forum about unethical employers.

If you think you can carry this out, with no adverse affect in the future, then go for it.
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Re: Jobs Offers vs Ethics

Anything could happen before December
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Re: Jobs Offers vs Ethics

You know when you do job interview first thing they ask a lady if she is planning any children (although they know it is now allowed) .....and some other stories you read about firing mothers who just had miscarriages etc...(so all inhuman)

I also been thru similar stuff, like cutting cost, reduce wage and/or allocation, make people redundant, the minute companies "smells" financial crisis!!

And I have been faithful towards the end...and now it is OVER with me!

I want to start thinking of myself, why would I deprive myself from a salary over 2 months and be under RAV's mercy?

I know the disadvantage to have it on my CV for 2 months, but i is better than sitting around doing nothing!!

I'll have to use my legal rights, like companies are!
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Please help me taking this tough decision!
How your previous employer treated you is irrelevant to your current dilemma. So, the question simply is, is it ethical for you to work diligently for 2 months for company X and take salary for those 2 months? I think it is.

What time you choose to quit or the employer chooses to fire you is again irrelevant to an ethics debate. It is an old corporate saying: be loyal to your job, not to your employer. None less than N R Narayana Murthy said this, though not exactly in the same context.
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How your previous employer treated you is irrelevant to your current dilemma.
It is not that I am taking revenge, once again all companies nowadays are working to their own interest!!!

Very few treat its employees like human beings, let's be honest!! and all I want today is to bridge the time and have an interesting job to fill the gap and the wallet .-))

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Re: Jobs Offers vs Ethics

Your question misses the most important component: "Is it ethical for you to work for 2 months for company X and take salary for those 2 months having lied to your employer knowing that you have no intention of staying, even before you start the job ?"

You may find the validation from some people you seek for the course of action you seem set on, but I'm surprised at some supporting postings where such things are dismissed more easily than a no-show for an EF event...

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So, the question simply is, is it ethical for you to work diligently for 2 months for company X and take salary for those 2 months? I think it is.
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Re: Jobs Offers vs Ethics

The only thing that I would say is. Switzerland is a small world,
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Your question misses the most important component: "Is it ethical for you to work for 2 months for company X and take salary for those 2 months having lied to your employer knowing that you have no intention of staying, even before you start the job ?"

You may find the validation from some people you seek for the course of action you seem set on, but I'm surprised at some supporting postings where such things are dismissed more easily than a no-show for an EF event...

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Who mentioned lying ?

That's quite an assumption. Add to that that the OP may even like the first job and stay. No one can tell the future, so you can't answer questions about it to any degree of accuracy, so can't be accused of lying. Unless the OP was ask directly about the situation, I do not think the OP can be accused of lying.
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^^that. Don't forget that a company invest a lot of time and resources when recruting candiates. For you to waste their time is just unprofessional. If you worry about losing a couple of months salary, why don´t you work a couple of months longer, or ask the new company if you can start earlier?

If it was me, I would enjoy a few months "in the garden".
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Your question misses the most important component: "Is it ethical for you to work for 2 months for company X and take salary for those 2 months having lied to your employer knowing that you have no intention of staying, even before you start the job ?"

You may find the validation from some people you seek for the course of action you seem set on, but I'm surprised at some supporting postings where such things are dismissed more easily than a no-show for an EF event...

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Well I never heard companies pay you a monthly salary of Xk ONLY if they know you stay for many months, otherwise you dont deserve the XK!!!

Sorry during those 2 months, I would earn the salary that i deserve for these 2 months only and NOT 13 months salary that I am intending to run away with????

Who is lying about what??? As they also said, I might like the job and might stay??!
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I want to ... do from now whatever is convenient to me only!

Would that be unethical to do so?
Hmm, really tough one. What do you think?
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Please help me taking this tough decision!
I have no particular opinion on this issue, but I'm interested to see that you posed the question, and clearly already had an opinion because you groaned those who gave advice that didnt agree with yours and thanked those that did.

Guess you didnt really want help, but more confirmation that you have reached the right decision?

So on that basis, and because i like thanks more than groans, i guess the right answer is........

YES.
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I have no particular opinion on this issue, but I'm interested to see that you posed the question, and clearly already had an opinion because you groaned those who gave advice that didnt agree with yours and thanked those that did.

Guess you didnt really want help, but more confirmation that you have reached the right decision?

So on that basis, and because i like thanks more than groans, i guess the right answer is........

YES.
Sorry YES for what?
Groaned only the one who was attacking me! I had the impression i stole that job from him
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Well I never heard companies pay you a monthly salary of Xk ONLY if they know you stay for many months, otherwise you dont deserve the XK!!!

Sorry during those 2 months, I would earn the salary that i deserve for these 2 months only and NOT 13 months salary that I am intending to run away with????

Who is lying about what??? As they also said, I might like the job and might stay??!

I dont understand why you posted the quesiton in the first place. You clearly have decided what you want to do, and just wanted some internet users to agree with you...

Regarding whether you would deserve the salary for those two months or not that is up to debate. It is rare that employees are effective and up and running from day one..

Don't also forget that the Swiss love accurate CVs and will check and will ask for reference letters etc. So any future employer might not be that impressed with your little two months adventure.

PS! I hope you are not one of the candidates I am interviewing at the moment....
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