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Well, and here in lies the dilemma. Tobacco is an individual choice.
But that's the same argument behind selling arms. Nobody is forcing the buyer to squeeze the trigger...
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Old 30.08.2011, 09:22
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Re: Ethical and moral values of businesses while employed

I think that in general, the trickle-back of information from source to sale is somewhat "spun"... there is no way that everyone at point-of-sale knows exactly everything that is happening someplace at source. There is no way everyone at source knows exactly what is happening in the boardroom meetings. Each group has their own reasons for spinning the stories to someone about what's happening, whether to meet productivity goals at source or create those goals and effective "inspiration" for meeting them.

So, to me, the important part is what is happening among those with whom you work, where you are.
Does the company get involved in the local community in some way? Do they encourage the employees to do so?
Do they provide educational assistance to employees and their families?
Do they help make sure that employees (within your community!) basic needs are met - such as health care (or the ability to afford it), enough pay for enough food and shelter?
Do they encourage employees to treat others in an ethical and compassionate manner?

I worked for a corporation for a goodly number of years and was happy to do so because they ticked on the good side of most (if not all) of those boxes for the vast majority of their employees. As times changed (and corporate structure and ideals in the US changed), I grew less happy with the company itself and started looking elsewhere.


After leaving them, one of the part-time / seasonal jobs I took for pocket money was to work for one of the hotels on the beach. This company laid out all the welcome they could for pain in the ass bus-tour groups, asking us to jump through many hoops for their money. The same happened during the race weeks (Daytona 500). The people in the tour groups and during the races are predominantly white by the way.

The same company though put all sorts of restrictions and stipulations in place for "BCR" (Black College Reunion) weekend. Suddenly, a weekend stay required 4 nights paid instead of two or three. The reservation had to be paid in advance. There had to be someone over 25 in the room. The in-house restaurant and bar as well as the indoor pool and sauna would be closed "for renovation" during this time.

So, what was happening was obvious to me. It is bad enough in my mind for people to have this affliction (however "understandable" it may be to some), but to ask me to act upon their prejudices was just not something I was willing to do... so I quit.
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Re: Ethical and moral values of businesses while employed

This thread came back to mind when reading a recent edition of The Economist with a thought provoking expose of a Chinese firm muscling their way into mining/oil extraction in Africa. Very shady deals, leaving the locals (aside from some people in power) with not much to show for having handed over their natural resources. Smelled like neo-colonialism almost...
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Re: Ethical and moral values of businesses while employed

I work with CSR (corporate social responsibilty) I make sure those unethical companies do some good in the world and they suppport the projects we develop. I see nothing wrong in targetting polluters and unethical companies to pay for projects which benefit the poor or the environment. I do not want the tax payers to pay for these projects we develop.
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Old 18.09.2011, 22:49
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This thread came back to mind when reading a recent edition of The Economist with a thought provoking expose of a Chinese firm muscling their way into mining/oil extraction in Africa. Very shady deals, leaving the locals (aside from some people in power) with not much to show for having handed over their natural resources. Smelled like neo-colonialism almost...
this is not special to the chinese, but in fact standard operating procedure for any natural resources. in fact, you might notice that it is precisely the despots who are willing to cut deals with other countries (mainly US, actually) and impoverish their own people that do quite well. the west is happy to turn a blind eye when the despot is in their pockets. china is playing catch-up in this regard as the middle east is pretty much sewn up.

natural resources is a dirty industry, both literally and politically.
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Re: Ethical and moral values of businesses while employed

The Berne Declaration released an interesting study today about the role of Switzerland as a commodity trading hub. http://www.evb.ch/en/commodities

To my mind this is the new battleground - if these companies actually paid proper taxes that went back into the communities where the primary materials were being extracted then the world would be a much fairer place. Unfortunately, Glencore and co. along with the various levels of Swiss govt. appear far more interested in making a quick buck than in social or environmental justice.
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Re: Ethical and moral values of businesses while employed

Coming back on the Economist article, it's in the Aug 13-19 edition and focusses on very shady deals between the Chinese and Angola (via a firm called Sonangol) as well as other mining deals in the region.

2-3 pages which read more like a thriller.
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(mainly US, actually)
I guess it's pretty pointless to point out the rich history of the UK in this regard since you've already identified your villain.
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Re: Ethical and moral values of businesses while employed

http://www.economist.com/node/21525847

Article i was referring to - online, for free, without password.

What would life be without The Economist?
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